"Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

Stephen John Smoogen smooge at gmail.com
Tue Dec 9 00:01:18 UTC 2014

On 8 December 2014 at 16:41, Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:

> Am 09.12.2014 um 00:31 schrieb Stephen John Smoogen:
>> On 8 December 2014 at 16:17, Mike Pinkerton <pselists at mindspring.com
>> <mailto:pselists at mindspring.com>> wrote:
>>         We could have decided to double-down on growing that enthusiast
>>         segment, but, first, that's not what the people who showed up to
>>         do the
>>         work decided; and second, I actually think we continue to serve
>> the
>>         hackers and tinkerers very nicely with the spins and nonproduct
>>         option.
>>         What we're not doing is expanding
>>     I'm not suggesting that Fedora not expand into a new market
>>     segment.  I'm simply suggesting that you not abandon existing users
>>     in order to do so.
>> That works in a standard commercial environment where you are able to
>> get the original users to 'give payment' which helps continual funding
>> that work. However in a volunteer organization.. if people don't do the
>> work, then it isn't going to get done. And there is always a lot of work
>> in keeping something going from release to release.
> the opposite is true
> in a commercial environment you need to release new features and versions
> (even if nobody really needs them) and marketing as well as EOL all the
> time to force users buy updates
> in a opensource environment that pressure don't exist because you sell
> nothing more or less by a change, you have even users switched to a
> opensource OS to get rid of the ongoing bloat of new versions while you are
> happy with the existing software but need to upgrade because otherwise you
> have no support, bugfixes and security updates
I am expecting that there is something missing in what you are thinking and
what you are typing (English not a first language, trying to type something
succintly which requires a treatise etc etc.) The reason I am saying that
is that your definitions above would say that Linus should not have written
the Linux kernel because Minix covered everything. The only reason FVWM
would have been written is if someone paid the developers since twm covered
all the minimums. That all the changes and 'improvements' over the last 30
years are due to commercial efforts as Opensource volunteers should only
get rid of bloat.

Since I am expecting that is not what you mean... I am expecting that the
first sentence should have been:

the opposite is also true. (versus is true).

I will allow that developers come into opensource for multiple reasons.
Some want to remove stuff to make things smaller and easier to understand.
Others want to add stuff so that some feature they (or someone else) wants
is available. [The gigantic list of options that most GNU packages have in
long form is testament for that :)] In the end, what I am trying to say is
that if programmers come in and do the work for making something small,
make something secure, make something blue versus red.. it gets done. If
developers go around and say "someone ought to do X.." it never gets done
and people blame whoever did something else for not doing X.

Stephen J Smoogen.
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