Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 12/29/2014 04:28 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
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> On 28 December 2014 at 17:32, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203 at freenet.de
> <mailto:rc040203 at freenet.de>> wrote:
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>     On 12/29/2014 12:58 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
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>         On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Alec Leamas
>         <leamas.alec at gmail.com <mailto:leamas.alec at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>             Hm... developers which never touches the terminal?! Seems like a
>             really narrow group (?)
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>         Not really. At a previous workplace, we used two different IDEs
>         for the
>         two programming languages we needed to work with, and wrote GUI
>         apps to
>         handle whatever we might otherwise need a terminal to handle.
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>     Maybe it's my age which gradually going to show, but I would not
>     call these people "developers" but would call these folks
>     "IDE-operators".
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> It is your age, and there has been nothing gradual about it.. Look the
> world has moved a lot in the last 30 years, and we have gone past the
> point where current developers are humouring us old folk for making
> jokes about IDE-operators.

I am well aware this is what these people believe in and what marketing 
folks are spreading to hype their tools. To me IDEs are "just tools" - 
Additional tools, additional to terminals and editors.

I.e. a Linux distro, which is not supporting terminals/editors as part 
of a "developer oriented distro" has not done its homework. I'd even go 
one step further: Developing under Red Hat's default desktop (Gnome3) is 
impossible without an IDE.

Ralf