Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

Chris Murphy lists at colorremedies.com
Mon Dec 29 17:25:46 UTC 2014

On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Stephen John Smoogen <smooge at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 28 December 2014 at 17:32, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203 at freenet.de> wrote:
>> On 12/29/2014 12:58 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>>> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Alec Leamas <leamas.alec at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hm... developers which never touches the terminal?! Seems like a
>>>> really narrow group (?)
>>> Not really. At a previous workplace, we used two different IDEs for the
>>> two programming languages we needed to work with, and wrote GUI apps to
>>> handle whatever we might otherwise need a terminal to handle.
>> Maybe it's my age which gradually going to show, but I would not call
>> these people "developers" but would call these folks "IDE-operators".
> It is your age, and there has been nothing gradual about it.. Look the world
> has moved a lot in the last 30 years, and we have gone past the point where
> current developers are humouring us old folk for making jokes about
> IDE-operators. It is not a joke as much as a "wow those people are pathetic"
> in the same way when we were younger and wondered why "old" people still
> wore double polyester flare bottom pants in the late 1980's.

>From 1984 to 2001 there was a rather popular platform that didn't have
a CLI. It wasn't hidden, it simply didn't exist. Its replacement has a
terminal application, but the developer CLI tools are an optional
installation, it remains predominately a GUI development environment.

So I don't think it's an age thing, but rather a lack of awareness of
the historical and current state of software development in the wider
world. Developers have been developing software without CLIs for a
long time.

Chris Murphy

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