general compliment for F19/F20

Reindl Harald h.reindl at thelounge.net
Sat Jan 25 20:38:14 UTC 2014


first:

be sure after the style of replies like yours i will
hestitate try to make compilemts again in the public
because the aggresive way you react leads nowhere else
then flamewars

Am 25.01.2014 21:26, schrieb Haïkel Guémar:
> Le 25/01/2014 20:40, Reindl Harald a écrit :
>> i think sometimes some nice words are worth
>>
>> F19/F20 so far are great releases with nearly zero regressions
>> possibly because RHEL7 is cooked based on F19/F20 and partyl Rawhide
> 
> No, all the merit is due to Fedora contributors and our efforts to improve the quality of the overall distro.
> Fedora is *community-driven*, implying that RHEL7 may be one of the cause of that success is rude to the
> contributors whether they are paid or not by Red Hat

wow - even if someone makes a compliment it is taken rude - impressive

the difference shortly before a new RHEL release is that the timeframe
is *much* more important for the RH folks than some random release

accept it or not - you can't change the facts - period

>> the only downside currently are some systemd mis-behaviors hopefully
>> resolved before F19 is EOL and F20 becomes mandatory on servers
>>
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023788
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023820
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1010572
>>
>> i really appreciate the distribution and only wish some major
>> features in F15-F17 would not appear again from the viewpoint
>> of their user-impact by "be first for a too high price"
>
> "In cauda venenum"
> Please read Fedora mission statement:

i do not need to read it 100 times

> "The Fedora Project's mission is to *lead* the advancement of free and open source software and content as a
> collaborative community." (emphasis is mine)

so what - lead does not mean "lead for every price at any moment of time"

> I'm proud that we did these disruptive changes, because if we didn't, they might never have happened

you could be even more proud if they would have happened anyways
but not that disruptive

> Many Fedora contributors feel the same (and a consequent number disagree too).
> We're not doing to get the first place, just to bring and help mature the changes we feel right: systemd is one of
> them. And what happened later proved us that we were right.

and systemd with the state of F16/F17 and more server packages converted to systemd-units
would not have been that disruptive - period - in general systemd is a great improvement
and honestly before F15 was released the description and goals where things i really loved
to see, but not in a hurry, not in that state

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