Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

[drago01]

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Matthew Miller
<mattdm at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 04:19:38PM +0100, drago01 wrote:
>> You forgot the part where you explain how / why Fedora.next solves all
>> this issues. Some like "cloud and server usage" is more or less clear
>> (focus product) but the rest is a bot hand weavy. For instance why
>> should any of the changes make people suddenly care about the
>> distribution they use if you think they don't.
>
> To address your "for instance" specifically, I think there's two concrete
> steps (which I hope you can see in the Cloud PRD).
>
> First, emphasize unique things we have at the base level which *should* be
> of interest. For example, SELinux around Docker containers makes them have
> reasonable security (rather than just being resource division). No one else
> has that, so it's a good selling point. (Or will be once it's actually
> implemented.) Or, better integration of an orchestration layer (although
> that's somethin that we are not readay to tackle yet.)

OK that one makes sense.

> Second, give people what they *do* care about: choices of language stacks
> above the base level, and a layer of separation so that there isn't a big
> impact when the base layer changes. To quote someone I talked to: No
> distribution does that well, so if you can, you'd really have something
> valuable to me.

This is again "hand wavy"(sorry for overusing this term). I can
already have multiple language stacks
for instance python, java, ruby and php on fedora (or pretty much any
other distribution) just fine today.

And I don't expect it to break when the "base layer" (whatever that
means ... kernel? glibc? systemd?) changes.
So in that case I didn't even get the problem itself so I cannot
comment much on the solution.