Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

Christian Schaller cschalle at redhat.com
Thu Jan 30 12:50:55 UTC 2014





----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jaroslav Reznik" <jreznik at redhat.com>
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" <devel at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:34:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > My statements was directly targeted at the often repeated attitude on this
> > list which
> > seems to be that Red Hat should shut up and pay for whatever the given
> > poster
> > think should be payed
> > for without having any expectations or requirements of the Fedora community
> > in return.
> > 
> > The relationship between Red Hat and Fedora is very different from that of
> > for instance Debian and Ubuntu,
> > with Red Hat being a lot more directly involved in both contributing to
> > Fedora and paying for the
> > general upkeep of Fedora. Personally I always felt that this symbiotic
> > relationship was a big part of
> > what made Fedora interesting.
> 
> +1 and I still think it works pretty well - Red Hat has a nice space to
> do work on the future RHELs in open way (not like other so called open
> companies), community can contribute where there's interest.
> 
> Btw. I'm not saying there are no issues, or sometimes more misunderstandings
> that always could be resolved.
> 
> > So in regards to the spins, which my original response didn't really try to
> > address, I think they should all become remixes
> > and I think we should try to build an infrastructure where doing a remix is
> > as easy as possible.
> > For example, in theory I think the Fedora project could provide some kind
> > of
> > web hosting space for the remixes, to reduce the burden/threshold
> > for remix maintainers
> 
> And we call these spins now.

Not exactly, to be clear what I was talking about here was fedora providing
hosting for someone to point their 'SuperDuperLinux.org' domain to. So that the
remixes wouldn't need to find separate web hosting. But as I think you also refer
to in your response, if we do that then there are probably similar legal restrictions
put on the remixes as are currently put on the spins.

> 
> > , but I do also see that there are legal and
> > administrative reasons for why that could be a bad idea, but I am sure that
> > with
> > some discussion and investigation there are solutions that can be found to
> > these practical challenges.
> 
> That's one idea behind remixes - make it as easy as possible to remix Fedora
> outside of Fedora space to avoid legal issues.
> 
> Jaroslav
> 
> > 
> > Christian
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "piruthiviraj natarajan" <piruthiviraj at gmail.com>
> > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
> > > <devel at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:29:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Christian Schaller < cschalle at redhat.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What I mean to say is that Red Hat has a business motive to support the
> > > Fedora community,
> > > if supporting Fedora was a pure act of charity then I think organizations
> > > like the Red Cross
> > > or Unicef would have a much better chance of getting the money.
> > > 
> > > So if the Fedora community wants to not care about why Red Hat invests in
> > > Fedora they are of course free to do so,
> > > but it becomes quite disingenuous to later be surprised if Red Hat loses
> > > interest in Fedora.
> > > 
> > > well this kind of strategy towards the community is not very inspiring
> > > for
> > > the new contributors, is it?
> > > I think there is interest in the fedora community for Gnome as well as
> > > other
> > > DE which RHEL doesn't ship.
> > > But since this thread has been moving in a direction where the Fedora
> > > spins
> > > are under threat to exist in the repos doesn't bode well for the packages
> > > that is not of interest to red hat.
> > > 
> > > 
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