fedora-release-$PRODUCT, /etc/issue, /etc/os-release, Per-Product Configs and more!

William william at firstyear.id.au
Sun Jul 6 07:43:48 UTC 2014

On Thu, 2014-07-03 at 10:05 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh at redhat.com> wrote:
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > On 07/03/2014 01:42 AM, William wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2014-07-02 at 20:40 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >>> On 07/02/2014 06:55 PM, William wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> First of all, I'd like to formally propose that each of the
> >>>>> products will have a fedora-release-$PRODUCT (and
> >>>>> corresponding generic-release-$PRODUCT) package. This package
> >>>>> will meet several needs (with magical hand-waving in this
> >>>>> initial email).
> >>>>
> >>>> How will this work with fedup from 20 to 21? Will there be
> >>>> multiple upgrade targets?
> >>>>
> >>> Why would that be necessary?  All packages are in one repository,
> >>> so fedora-release-$PRODUCT will be upgraded to the next version
> >>> and everything will be fine.
> >>
> >> My machine doesn't currently have a fedora-release-$PRODUCT
> >> package installed. So how will fedup work out what one to put on my
> >> system? Will these packages be added to 20, and the user need to
> >> preinstall before fedup?
> >>
> >
> > It won't put one on your system. Upgrades from a non-Productized
> > Fedora will remain non-Productized. It's not *less* Fedora than before.
> >
> > The Products are basically a statement that "this minimal set of
> > packages and services are available on the system". A non-productized
> > Fedora install is essentially just a continuation of the classic
> > do-it-yourself approach that Fedora has been up to this point.
> That's misleading.  Fedora hasn't been releasing "do-it-yourself"
> releases.  Our previous install images were composed and tested by QA,
> including testing fedup upgrades from the previous release.  With
> Fedora.next, we don't have an install image that is an equivalent of
> <= F20.
> Perhaps I have missed them, but I've seen no discussion or plans
> around testing upgrades to F21 from F20.  Unless the Products intend
> to test upgrading from F20, and/or QA intends to somehow test fedup
> from F20 to F21 in a non-product manner, we're essentially changing
> the semantics of upgrades.  I agree it should still work, but saying
> it's a continuation of existing practice when it isn't is wrong.
> josh

It's also misleading given how much focus has been given to the three
new products that will be released: So why now is there a
"non-productised" version? That's not been advertised much.

I think that some attention needs to be paid to the F20 -> F21 upgrade
path, and it shouldn't be left to the last minute. Do you need to choose
a product via fedup at upgrade time? Do you support a non-productised
William <william at firstyear.id.au>

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