dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Reindl Harald h.reindl at thelounge.net
Sat Jun 21 18:15:14 UTC 2014

Am 21.06.2014 19:57, schrieb Phillip T. George:
> Its reasonable to follow industry practices in regards to safety.  To remove a common safety and require humans to
> be intelligent all of the time is an excellent way to introduce (more) chaos into the system.  Sounds like an
> off-list discussion needs to take place.

Fedora perfers to throw away that existing safety and sell after enough
damage has happened and enough users complained the comeback of that
safety as new feature for Fesora 24/25, that's hwat happens with all
the new improved replacments, only too few people remember that many
of the follow-up improvements worked years before and got killed by
"making things better"

surely, 5 years after DNF repladed YUM you can got out and propose
that the new DNF version improves things by prevent such damage
but accept that users with expierence over years will laugh about
that and refer to some of my posts!

smart development would not gave me a single reason to complain
about such basics ignored and even close bugreports

"Second, when you enter a command to remove a package and it comes back
and lists hundreds of dependencies" is *censored* - "df remove rpm-libs"
don't list hundrets of packages - have fun to recover a system if
someone uninstalelled rpm - have fun asking the user why he did say
"yes" and confirmed it

the user will tell you "because such damage was not possible in the
past and some arrogant developers sold steps backward in the
development as a improvement"

> On 6/21/14 12:26 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>> You can't child proof the world.
>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Naheem Zaffar <naheemzaffar at gmail.com <mailto:naheemzaffar at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>     While dnf itself might want to stay "pure" and do as commanded, maybe
>>     for fedora there should be a default plugin that adds some protection
>>     for the regular users?
>>     On 21 June 2014 18:02, Gerald B. Cox <gbcox at bzb.us <mailto:gbcox at bzb.us>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     > On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Tim Lauridsen <tim.lauridsen at gmail.com <mailto:tim.lauridsen at gmail.com>>
>>     > wrote:
>>     >>
>>     >> many people stops reading fdl, because of all the flaming and people trash
>>     >> talking each other and that is sad for Fedora :-(
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Thank you.  No one likes trolling.
>>     >
>>     > It should be obvious that if you start removing packages you should
>>     > understand what you are doing.  To run DNF, you first have to have root
>>     > authority - which should be the first red flag. Second, when you enter a
>>     > command to remove a package and it comes back and lists hundreds of
>>     > dependencies it is also going to remove, that should be enough of a nudge
>>     > for the prudent person to reply "N".
>>     >
>>     > You can't stop people from being careless by asking them again if they are
>>     > really, really sure.  If they go ahead and destroy their system and have to
>>     > re-install, maybe that will be a sufficient deterrent to keep them from
>>     > doing it again.  Just like telling a child not to touch a hot surface...
>>     > some listen and the ones that don't get burned.

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