Suggested Freeze Policy change for Fedora 22+

Stephen Gallagher sgallagh at
Tue Nov 25 14:09:56 UTC 2014

On Tue, 2014-11-25 at 10:21 +0100, drago01 wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh at> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yeah, that's a valid concern and one I'm not ignoring. I'm just
> > concerned that (going by F21 Alpha and Beta) the "hero testing" doesn't
> > result in avoiding a slip most of the time. In the case of Alpha, that
> > was going on for a month before we finally were able to release. That's
> > not fair to QA and it *certainly* doesn't make it seem like something
> > new contributors would want to put themselves through.
> If your goal is preventing slips you are doing it wrong (tm). Your
> proposal would as Kevin said just result into *more* slips.
> What we should do is to find out *why* we slip every time and address
> that. The handling of the Go/NoGo meeting isn't really the problem,
> you are fighting the symptoms instead of the disease.
> So you'd have to 1) find out what causes us to slip so often (*cough*
> anaconda *cough* [1]) and 2) talk to the related developers / involved
> parties to find a way to solve it in a way that is acceptable to both
> sides (in that example rel eng / qa / anaconda devs).

Well, that's actually one piece this is trying to address. By
publicizing and making clear that "Developers must have their packages
*submitted for stable*" at a specific time, we help those developers
schedule their time more accurately.

As I said before, part of the problem is that most developers (anaconda
included, I suspect) have been operating under the impression that as
long as the package is prepped before *Thursday*, it's all good. But
this doesn't allow time for adequate testing and discovery of remaining

> 1: Ok I didn't check the data but my impression is that most blocker
> bugs are in that area I might be wrong though ... but the data is
> available to check that.

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