dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

[Jan Zelený]

On 10. 4. 2015 at 07:16:30, Steve Clark wrote:
> On 04/10/2015 07:04 AM, Jan Zelený wrote:
> > On 10. 4. 2015 at 09:34:15, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> Am 10.04.2015 um 09:18 schrieb Jan Zelený:
> >>> On 10. 4. 2015 at 08:53:46, Petr Spacek wrote:
> >>>> I very much agree with this. As a user, I expect that 'dnf upgrade'
> >>>> will
> >>>> give me latest packages and that DNF will tell me the fact that newer
> >>>> packages are available but not installable.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Maybe it could have a form of plugin, at least for the beginning?
> >>> 
> >>> Again, dnf check-update already does that
> >> 
> >> Again: that argument is pointless because *nobody* is calling it by hand
> >> after "dnf upgrade" and so that information is *not* available for the
> >> regular dnf/yum user
> > 
> > The vision for dnf is to be more simple and more effective tool for admins
> > that will not try to solve problems of other components. On the other
> > hand we want to enable package maintainers and other advanced users to
> > achieve their use cases somehow but dnf will never be a debugging tool.
> > Bottom line, we will consider this feature request but considering it is
> > the only promise I can give you.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Jan
> 
> Mr. Zeleny,
> 
> As an admin and user how does this behavior make it simpler for me? I now
> have to do 2 steps to make sure things worked as expected. How is this
> simpler?

What we envision is for the admin not to debug the problem himself, it's not 
his responsibility. Packaging problems should be discovered automatically when 
an update is created. This is being worked on by Fedora QA IIUIC. Package 
maintainers are the second line of defense, as they should resolve these 
problems before updates go stable. But these issues should never get to the 
end user.

Bottom line, if an update is in a repo but it's not installable, it's 
technically not available to the client as some of the bits are obviously 
missing. Maybe you could help me understand what value does the information 
have for you when you can't install the packages anyway.

Thanks
Jan