noarch vs. all, x86_64 vs. amd64, kernel vs. linux and PAE

[Sérgio Basto]

On Sáb, 2015-08-15 at 15:33 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Sérgio Basto <sergio at serjux.com>
> wrote:


> 


>         On Sáb, 2015-08-15 at 21:22 +0800, Christopher Meng wrote:
>         > On 8/14/15, Wei-Lun Chao <bluebat at member.fsf.org> wrote:
>         > > Hi,
>         > >
>         > > Is there already any discussion about:
>         > > rename arch name "noarch" to "all"
>         > > rename arch name "x86_64" to "amd64"
>         > > rename package name "kernel-PAE" to "kernel"
>         > > and even rename package name "kernel" to "linux"
>         >
>         > noarch doesn't mean all, and what's 'all' exactly? All
>         archs? All
>         > Fedora versions?
>         >
>         > x86_64 and amd64 are just some Debianish still, perhaps last
>         straw to
>         > show amd somewhere or whatever?
>         
>         yeah, Debian names are all wrong , so I'd suggest do the
>         opposite ,
>         Debian (and Ubuntu) change "all" to "noarch" , "amd64" to
>         "x86_64" and
>         "linux" to "kernel" .
>         BTW: Debian also should change the apache package name to
>         httpd, Apache
>         is an organization not a web server, the web server of Apache
>         is the
>         httpd.
>         
>         Best regards,
>         --
>         Sérgio M. B.
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> ​To be fair, Debian's use of "linux" over "kernel" is because they
> actually support another kernel (the FreeBSD kernel). If the Fedora
> Project wanted to add FreeBSD kernel support (which, as far as I know,
> we don't), then we would have to talk about how to deal with that
> issue. 

Simple as, call the package kernel-freebsd .

> Though even then, it's pretty easy, since all we would have to do is
> change kernel and kernel-devel into virtual packages that kernel-linux
> or kernel-freebsd would be able to satisfy.
> 
> 
> The usage of "all" in Debian is largely because the way they treat
> architecture independent data differs from how we do it in Fedora.
> They try to ensure the architecture independent data is fully reusable
> across all architectures they support, while the nature of our
> packages mean that "noarch" could differ among architectures and
> basically means that it doesn't have any binary data.

No, means that package is not dependent of any arch.

> 
> The naming of httpd and bind and a whole bunch of other packages in
> Debian is somewhat annoying, since it doesn't really respect
> upstream's wishes, but whatever...​
 
No , they don't respect upstream's wishes, look at this page :

http://httpd.apache.org/download.cgi#apache24

source is : httpd-2.4.16.tar.bz2 and is not apache-2.4.1

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> 
> 

Best regards,
-- 
Sérgio M. B.