systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbyszek at
Mon Feb 23 15:35:39 UTC 2015

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:04:13AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100
> Lennart Poettering <mzerqung at> wrote:
> > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobinson at wrote:
> > 
> > > >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the
> > > >> > tracker, which are caused by systemd changes and have to be
> > > >> > fixed in other components.
> > > >>
> > > >> Are you going to start notifying deve@ of upcoming changes that
> > > >> may impact other areas of the distro too rather than just land
> > > >> them without notification or discussion?
> > > >
> > > > Oh god, stop this, will you?
> > > 
> > > No, I mean the above in general for general changes you make that
> > > affect the distro as a whole. You generally land them without
> > > notification.
> > 
> > I "generally" do that? Can you be more precise?
> A recent example, systemd decided that os-release needed to be moved
> to /usr/lib/
Rahul Sundaram and I asked for this change to follow upstream and because
it is a step in the right direction and we might just as well make it now.
A symlink is both carried by fedora-release.rpm and added automatically by
systemd if the file is missing, so most consumers should not be affected.

I don't agree with Lennart here there we should delay changes which
incrementally move us towards the goal of empty /etc. It's not that
far out and with every file moved it becomes easier. We should be
changing the mindset of what belong in /etc, and os-release is part
of the basic file system and has symbolic importance.

> I did not see any notification on devel@ nor was i
> contacted directly. the first I heard of it was a third party person
> filing a bug against fedora-release

It turns out that dracut was affected, but the bug is easy enough to
fix. If fedora-devel was used to announce every file move we'd all
go crazy.

And seriously, Rahul Sundaram is hardly a "third party person". He's one
of the active maintainers of systemd package, which you can easily
check in the pkgdb, as well as your colleague from Red Hat.
But even if he was, it should hardly matter. He made a bug report
providing the necessary justification (quoting upstream manpage), and
it should make no difference whether he is active in other areas
or if that bug report was his first contribution to Fedora.


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