F22 System Wide Change: Legacy implementations of the Java platform in Fedora

[Jiri Vanek]

On 02/26/2015 09:31 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mikolaj Izdebski" <mizdebsk at redhat.com>
>> To: devel at lists.fedoraproject.org
>> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:16:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: F22 System Wide Change: Legacy implementations of the Java	platform in Fedora
>>
>> On 02/25/2015 06:58 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
>>>> On 02/24/2015 06:41 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> "java" would be the preferred JRE in Fedora. The package would have no
>>>>>> content, but it would have Requires on preferred Fedora JRE, currently
>>>>>> java-1.8.0-openjdk. This could be easily changed as default JRE changes.
>>>>>> The same is for other binary subpackages of "java", respectively.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All system packages would require subpackages of "java" as they do now
>>>>>> (unless there is good reason not to). Users that install "java" would
>>>>>> get latest JRE, which would be updated to new major versions as they
>>>>>> become default. Older JDKs would not be removed during update (unless
>>>>>> there is no maintainer and they are obsoleted as currently),
>>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK nothing obsoletes a package just because it is orphaned…
>>>>
>>>> If no volunteer shows up for maintenance of old JDK then it would be
>>>> deprecated and obsoleted, as it's was done with previous JDK packages.
>>>
>>> How would that work _exactly_?
>>
>> 1) JDK maintainers announce deprecation in advance and call for
>> volunteers to maintain old JDK
>>
>> 2) when the time of deprecation comes, JDK package is reassigned to new
>> maintainer, if such showed up; no obsoletes are added
>
> We speak about people that are already Fedora packagers, right? Just sponsoring someone that showed up and let him/her maintain
Still it is possible scenario.

I can even guess that this person will be apckaging newbe - most of java developers do not care 
about packaged stuff below. They have theirs Java EE and are happy that packages are solving all the 
issues they dont like.

On contrary, if such a  person wonts to pack it then you cna expect him to learn quicly.

 > legacy JDK in Fedora is recipe for disaster.

Thats what this guidelines should prevent...


> For not-yet-packagers they would have to go through the full review-sponsoring process.
>
>
> Alexander Kurtakov
> Red Hat Eclipse team
>
>>
>> 3) if there is no new maintainer then old JDK is redired in pkgdb,
>> blocked in koji and obsoleted by some other package
>>
>> 4) if maintainer shows up after old JDK was retired then he can just
>> revive package (passing review if needed); package release is bumped to
>> be higher that obsoletes
>>
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>> Mikolaj Izdebski
>> Software Engineer, Red Hat
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