Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

[Luya Tshimbalanga]

On 02/01/15 01:15 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote:
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>
> Probably true, but it already includes fonts and input sources. So, 
> someone has felt that 'front-end applications only' is too narrow. 
> Now, where you can draw the line?
>
I exaggerated.
> Did you try that? The problem with searching for "C++" is that it will 
> list almost all applications (probably it searches for "C"). So it has 
> nothing to do with DevAssistant.
I just searched "C++" resulting a freeze of Gnome Software due to 
handling of "++" character. That is a bug I already submitted 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1178199
Normally, Gnome Software should list DevAssistant on the first list as I 
have no problem typing python or ruby keyword on the search field.
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> So, every IDE should have a 'clang' addon? and also a gcc addon? At 
> least, if 'shared' add-ons are available things will be much easier.
In this case, why not?

>
> I wonder why people want to split developers into two categories: 
> GUI-only and Terminal-only? Why there couldn't be a "GUI as much as 
> possible developer"? Such a developer will prefer to install autotools 
> and clang/gcc using a GUI application, then open a terminal and run 
> "./configure && make && sudo make install" in shell? Why do people 
> think that a developer which wants (actually, since currently there 
> are no(?) GUI ways to do configure, make and make install, he is 
> forced) to use terminal should be 'punished' to use command line for 
> installing the tools he need?
They were attempt of create a frontend for that purpose and most of them 
were poorly implemented. Take a look of how Microsoft and Apple do their 
development. it is a matter of finding a better way of implementing the 
tool.
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> (Well, hopefully in future there will be a tool (DevAssistant?) which 
> can help you to configure, compile and install a package from source. 
> Then, it can have gcc/clang/... compilers as its addons too; so it's 
> become more practical to have GUI-only developers who don't need to 
> install a compiler directly).
>
DevAssistant is a start. Next step will be adding packaging guideline 
and other stuff. It takes time but it can be done.

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> Add-ons cannot cover development libraries, unless every library is an 
> add-on for all IDEs!
Then is IDE packaging issue. When it comes of using a development 
applications, the software should suggest installing the missing 
library. If Gnome Video is able to prompt uses to install missing 
component, then why shouldn't be possible for IDE application to do the 
same?
Granted I don't know well the functionality but the logic is application 
should detect and suggest adding the missing function.

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Luya Tshimbalanga
Graphic & Web Designer
E: luya at fedoraproject.org
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