Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

[Tomas Radej]

On 05/01/15 10:04, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> On 02/01/15 11:42, Richard Hughes wrote:
>>
>>>> Because as of now, gnome-software just doesn't fit the workstation bill
>>>
>>> I think you're misunderstanding what most developers do. We probably
>>> spend about 10 minutes installing development packages (on the command
>>> line) when setting up a new OS instance. I then spend a year or so of
>>> installing or removing the odd application, and a few minutes every
>>> week applying updates. I don't think GNOME Software is hugely useful
>>> for installing low-level developer packages, which is fine. It doesn't
>>> mean it's not a useful application.
>>
>> I don't know if "most" developers works with more or less just one
>> toolchain and environment as you describe. At least "some" actually
>> works in a lot of projects, with different development packages and
>> sometimes also tools.
>>
>> That said, what about describing  the developer usecase as a project,
>> focusing on a user using both GUI and CLI tools?
>>
>> - Get the sources (if they exist).
>> - Install a toolchain, GUI-based or not.
>> - Install dependencies: -devel packages, interpreted modules, etc.
>> - Install project- or user-specific tools (GUI or not).
>> - Keeping the installed sw updated.
>>
>> Installing the toolchain seems like DevAssistant to me. Besides this, I
>> understand your position as if users are supposed to use yum/dnf except
>> for GUI development tools and their dependencies (?)
>
> Currently DevAssistant "assistants" (read: plugins) that we have in Fedora are more of "kickstart a new project and install deps along" rather than "install a toolchain and perhaps do some other environment setup". This can however be easily extended by writing different plugins that will do just that.
> E.g. I can imagine us having "da prep fedora-dev c" (which will BTW automatically gain a clickable counterpart in GUI) that will setup development environment for C (and similar for other languages). We can even provide some choices like --use-eclipse, --use-whatever-other-IDE, ... I'm willing to put my work into this, but I'm mostly a Python developer, so I'd need input from people working with languages.
>
> Does that sound worth pursuing?
>

FYI: I have filed an RFE with gnome-software regarding ordering of the 
search results, which should significantly help bringing DevAssistant 
Assistants to the top:

	https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742388

Tomas Radej