Meeting minutes for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2015-01-14)

[Honza Horak]

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#fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2015-01-14)
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Meeting started by hhorak at 12:01:10 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-01-14/env-and-stacks.2015-01-14-12.01.log.html
.



Meeting summary
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* hello-ing  (hhorak, 12:01:44)

* Fedora Rings  (hhorak, 12:03:21)
   * LINK: http://mattdm.org/fedora/next/#15   (hhorak, 12:05:39)
   * LINK: http://mattdm.org/fedora/next/#20   (hhorak, 12:05:40)
   * there is no clear sense of the details of each ring.. e.g.
     definition, type of things in the ring, loose guidelines, users'
     expectations, motivation to use the rings  (hhorak, 12:18:13)
   * IDEA: ring2 may be split into ring 2 and ring 3 - the new ring 2
     should contain only system high-level stacks (we'll always need
     system versions of e.g. interpreted langauges) and ring 3 should
     contain copr/playground and possibly also upstream-type of repos
     (hhorak, 12:18:17)
   * ring 0 is a minimal bootable system - basically the domain of the
     Base WG  (hhorak, 12:33:37)
   * IDEA: question is what can be moved out of ring 1 to ring 2?
     (hhorak, 12:40:13)
   * IDEA: the "promotion" idea.. as in ... the lower the number of ring
     the higher quality of the package and the more it must be maintained
     (hhorak, 12:40:13)
   * IDEA: definition of ring 1 is a minimal set of packages that give
     you a functional system, with some sort of approval  (hhorak,
     13:31:21)
   * IDEA: ring 1 should be self-hosted -- because you want to build very
     solid important packages using very solid important packages
     (hhorak, 13:31:21)
   * IDEA: WG-wkstn may want to package httpd differently than WG-server
     -- that could be solved on configuration - level like httpd-dev and
     httpd-prod  (hhorak, 13:31:21)
   * IDEA: then ring 2 includes clean/good pkgs of other stuff; ring 3
     good pkgs but not complete; ring 4 any old stuff  (hhorak, 13:32:31)
   * IDEA: topic for ML or some of the next meetings: setting some
     technical expectations about how to differ ring 0, 1, 2..  (hhorak,
     13:40:44)
   * IDEA: topic for ML or some of the next meetings: look more closely
     on users' wok-flow -- say he wants to develop or use some app from
     ring X -- what it actually means in practice..  (hhorak, 13:40:44)

Meeting ended at 13:45:30 UTC.




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* bkabrda (64)
* langdon (50)
* hhorak (45)
* vpavlin (28)
* zodbot (4)
* jzeleny-mtg (1)
* samkottler (0)
* tjanez (0)
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* juhp (0)
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