Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

[Matěj Cepl]

On 2015-09-13, 13:13 GMT, Haïkel wrote:
> But, distros have lost the influence they used to have then, we're in the
> cloud/container era where people bundle everything ...

And they won't retake it by giving up. Then they will just give 
ammunition to the idiots persuading them they are right.

> Now, it's very common that large upstream projects just tell us to get
> lost.

My experience is very different. Sensible languages and their 
universe usually welcome sensible patches. Even some less 
sensible universes are moving towards more sensible state ...  
certainly even such monster as Java is (hopefully, slowly) 
moving in the right direction, I see some (some!) movement in 
the right direction even in the JavaScript world (ES6, some 
efforts in the NodeJS world).

Yes, there is PHP, but I believe that their brightest moment has 
passed and they will either start to do sensical engineering 
(and that means way more than just unbundling) or they will 
slowly vanish. Certainly, I don't think PHP is the reason why 
Fedora should change their direction.

And if somebody thinks docker & co. is the answer, then we 
should wait just a little bit before they discover that the 
content of their containters needs maintenance as well, and 
before their customers discover that they have infrastructure 
full of old unmaintatenable junk.

Certainly, an engineer who prostitutes himself and in order to 
be popular accepts stupid decisions of his clients is not 
something I would like to follow.

Matěj

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