Vladimir Kosovac vnk at mkc.co.nz
Sat Dec 8 11:14:31 UTC 2007

Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 14:54 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote:
>>> Does installing from a DVD automatically enable the DVD as a repo?  I
>>> honestly don't know, since I haven't used a DVD to install in a very
>>> long time.  The act of updating a system is one area I would say
>>> deserves attention in the DUG and the AG.  That area of overlap, to me,
>>> would be understandable.
>> I would assume it does since on the fedoraforum there was a severe
>> amount of complaints about having to put a cd/dvd.  
> Before documenting it, whoever is writing that section should definitely
> confirm the behavior first.
I've tried two different installs - DVD and http, in both cases install
source ends up on the list of pre-selected repositories. If DVD install
is used and DVD not inserted post-install, pup and pirut fail until
''install media"" repo is de-selected.

>> The purpose of it is a feature since you can now upgrade the fedora version 
>> using yum and a dvd which is a huge plus.  The problem arises is that the 
>> cd/dvd repo itself is usually enabled by default after this. 
>> An update fails because it can't find the cd/dvd repo since your cd/dvd 
>> is not in the drive so it can't find it so the update fails.  
>> That is possibly a bug however I'm not sure of the status of that bug or 
>> even if it is considered a bug.
>> The simplest method to fix it is disabling the repo and then voila 
>> yum-updatesd works by default updating the software.
>> I hope thats clear because I personally have never experienced it 
>> since I've always just used yum upgrade and edited the config files manually.
> It is clear, but editing the configuration files manually is not the
> appropriate solution for the DUG.  Instead, the documentation should
> indicate how the desktop user can use the Edit Repositories option in
> pup and pirut.  Again, focus on ease of use and GUI desktop usage
> wherever possible.
>>>> You need to set up file-sharing which I would call desktop capability a
>>>> server set up would be an administration part.  I'm not trying to be
>>>> pedantic but maybe my definition of desktop to administrator is
>>>> different.
>>> Setting up file sharing in the DUG is using System -> Preferences ->
>>> Network -> Personal File Sharing.  Anything beyond that is AG material.
>> Has anyone got that to work?  I've never actually got it to function
>> properly.
> It works if the firewall is disabled.  This is not ideal, and I would
> call this a bug unless both of us are doing something very wrong.  I
> thought one of the points of ConsoleKit was to be able to punch a hole
> in the firewall for personal files sharing.  In the meantime, I would
> simply document the behavior indicating that the user should consult the
> AG for firewall configuration info.
>> I've got a lot of questions like this which is the essence of the
>> original email.  Can we put together a list of what topics should be
>> covered and to what limits each category should move to. Then we have a
>> target to move towards?
> Unfortunately I don't have the cycles to do it, but you are welcome and
> encouraged to start such a list, and float it to the mailing list for
> discussion.  I think that's a very thoughtful process, and I'm sure
> others will pitch in their ideas.

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