FDSCo Meeting 2009-03-19 IRC log

[Eric Christensen]

Mar 18 20:00:04 <Sparks>	<meeting id="Docs Project">
Mar 18 20:00:04 <Sparks>	Roll Call!
Mar 18 20:00:04 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings
Mar 18 20:00:07 *	Sparks is here
Mar 18 20:00:12 *	danielsmw is here
Mar 18 20:00:12 *	laubersm  is here
Mar 18 20:00:13 *	rudi is here
Mar 18 20:00:15 *	ianweller 
Mar 18 20:00:20 *	jjmcd is here
Mar 18 20:00:21 *	zoglesby is here
Mar 18 20:00:24 <ianweller>	.wikilink ianweller
Mar 18 20:00:25 <zodbot>	ianweller: [[User:ianweller|Ian Weller]]
Mar 18 20:00:26 *	radsy is here
Mar 18 20:00:45 <laubersm>	ianweller, show off
Mar 18 20:00:49 <ianweller>	:3
Mar 18 20:00:51 *	joat is here
Mar 18 20:00:53 <laubersm>	.wikilink laubersm
Mar 18 20:00:54 <zodbot>	laubersm: [[User:laubersm|Susan Lauber]]
Mar 18 20:01:07 *	quaid is here
Mar 18 20:02:03 *	Sparks waits for ke4qqq and ryanlerch
Mar 18 20:02:48 <jjmcd>	David sounded like he had to physically travel to be here, haven't seen Ryan yet today
Mar 18 20:02:55 <Sparks>	Well, to not waste time...  
Mar 18 20:02:57 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Beta Announcement
Mar 18 20:03:14 <Sparks>	First, we had the Beta conference call earlier today...
Mar 18 20:03:30 *	rudi peers across the office and notices that Ryan's not at his desk
Mar 18 20:03:45 <Sparks>	a lot of things were covered and whenever they release the notes I'll pass them along to group via the list.
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Mar 18 20:04:22 <Sparks>	Thanks to ke4qqq for reminding me that he somehow got Docs on the list for creating the Beta Announcement
Mar 18 20:04:34 <quaid>	oops :)
Mar 18 20:04:38 <Sparks>	BUT...
Mar 18 20:05:11 <Sparks>	A special thanks to jjmcd for grabbing the bull by the horns and really creating nice, attention grabbing announcement
Mar 18 20:05:11 <Sparks>	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Beta_Announcement
Mar 18 20:05:33 <Sparks>	Please review it and make recommendations/changes as necessary.
Mar 18 20:05:58 <Sparks>	I especially like the opening paragraph.  :)
Mar 18 20:06:06 <jjmcd>	;-)
Mar 18 20:06:10 <Sparks>	BZ jjmcd 
Mar 18 20:06:12 <quaid>	yeah, we can add that as part of Docs standar op procedure each release ... we've had the final announcement duties for a while
Mar 18 20:06:17 <quaid>	but releng has obviously wanted us to do more :)
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Mar 18 20:06:38 <laubersm>	Are we trying to keep it to a "one page"?  How much can it grow?
Mar 18 20:06:42 <Sparks>	quaid: Yeah, and I think it is a perfect time for us to summarize the release notes... kinda
Mar 18 20:06:51 *	herlo is semi-here btw...
Mar 18 20:06:53 <Sparks>	laubersm: I don't want it to grow much more...
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Mar 18 20:07:08 <Sparks>	laubersm: if only because it is supposed to be a summary of a summary...  
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Mar 18 20:07:15 <laubersm>	The features page has one liners from proposals but they have some better descriptions in each feature page...  that are not much bigger
Mar 18 20:07:25 <Sparks>	laubersm: We just want to get you in the door long enough to download and install the beta.
Mar 18 20:07:52 <Sparks>	+1 for adding interesting items that will pull users/developers in
Mar 18 20:08:00 *	ianweller reads beta announcement
Mar 18 20:08:19 <jjmcd>	I ripped off some of the text from the talking points, stressed some over whether it was too long
Mar 18 20:08:20 <Sparks>	I think it would be better to have TOO much information in there and have to edit some of it out for brevity.
Mar 18 20:08:33 <laubersm>	ok...  I am not a fan of "rebase" or "etc" and I think we should be past "the goal is"  thoses are all from the initial feature page summaries - many of those
Mar 18 20:08:44 <laubersm>	pages ahve better para at the end of the feature page for RN
Mar 18 20:09:12 <quaid>	are we still on the release announcement?
Mar 18 20:09:17 <Sparks>	quaid: yes
Mar 18 20:09:22 *	laubersm knows how to edit and will... also promises to not get wordy :)
Mar 18 20:09:34 <jjmcd>	Thanks, Susan
Mar 18 20:09:39 <Sparks>	quaid: When do they cut Beta loose?
Mar 18 20:09:57 <jjmcd>	Tues I think
Mar 18 20:09:58 <ianweller>	announcement looks good
Mar 18 20:10:17 <quaid>	ok, in terms of length, long is bad :)
Mar 18 20:10:22 <Sparks>	jjmcd: So this needs to be done no later than Sunday eve
Mar 18 20:10:27 <quaid>	that stuff belongs in the release notes
Mar 18 20:10:35 <ianweller>	it is a bit wordy, yeah
Mar 18 20:10:42 <jjmcd>	Yeah, the sked says RNs gotta be done Mon
Mar 18 20:10:46 <ianweller>	"Peek behind the kimono" whirr
Mar 18 20:10:47 <Sparks>	We want to hit the high points ONLY, IMO
Mar 18 20:10:50 <joat>	it's a beta announcement... suggest limiting each of the bullet sets to the best 5, with an URL to the rest
Mar 18 20:11:10 <ianweller>	i suggest limiting the total number of bullets to 10
Mar 18 20:11:10 <joat>	best 5 of each that is...
Mar 18 20:11:12 <jjmcd>	Good plan, the trick is figuring out which are the best 5
Mar 18 20:11:37 <Sparks>	jjmcd: Well, if you have six or seven STRONG points, no foul in putting them all in
Mar 18 20:11:46 <joat>	 probably depends on which demographic each set is aiming at
Mar 18 20:12:03 <ianweller>	i like the beta contest. lol.
Mar 18 20:12:09 <radsy>	last I heard it was the 24th
Mar 18 20:12:13 <Sparks>	joat: True.  Right now it is broken down into "user" and "developer"
Mar 18 20:12:15 <jjmcd>	that's ripped off from 10
Mar 18 20:12:31 <Sparks>	Yes
Mar 18 20:12:52 <Sparks>	I don't think it is a bad way to organize it but I'm not tied to it
Mar 18 20:13:31 <jjmcd>	If we take out gnome, kde, anaconda and devkit we have 5 5 5, and those are pretty esoteric or limited population IMO
Mar 18 20:14:02 <Sparks>	jjmcd: Let's make sure we are satisfied with it NLT Sunday.  We can talk about it more later this week.
Mar 18 20:14:09 <jjmcd>	yep
Mar 18 20:14:16 *	quaid adds a point to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:F11_Beta_Announcement
Mar 18 20:14:17 <Sparks>	jjmcd: I don't like taking out gnome and kde...  
Mar 18 20:14:36 <ianweller>	Sparks: combine gnome and kde into one bullet
Mar 18 20:14:39 <quaid>	yes
Mar 18 20:14:45 <jjmcd>	Not a bad plan
Mar 18 20:14:50 <ianweller>	and fwiw the first paragraph seems awkwardly worded but i'm not exactly sure how you would fix it
Mar 18 20:14:59 <zoglesby>	are we really gaining much from new versions of either?
Mar 18 20:15:07 <jjmcd>	Updates to the latest window managers gnome 2.6, kde whatever
Mar 18 20:15:16 <jjmcd>	Not much visible
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Mar 18 20:15:24 <laubersm>	yes - and minimize to just updated to version X - they are only additions of upstream stuff....
Mar 18 20:15:39 *	laubersm sees that jjmcd already said that :(
Mar 18 20:15:56 *	ryanlerch apoligises for lateness
Mar 18 20:16:07 <Sparks>	ryanlerch: You haven't missed your topic yet
Mar 18 20:16:16 <Sparks>	Okay, anything else on the release announcement?
Mar 18 20:16:45 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Publican fix for Fedora? <-- jjmcd
Mar 18 20:17:03 <Sparks>	jjmcd: You were working on a script to "fix" publican srpms for Fedora.
Mar 18 20:17:07 <joat>	i still haven't figured that one out yet
Mar 18 20:17:08 <Sparks>	jjmcd: Where are you with this?
Mar 18 20:17:15 <jjmcd>	No progress there since last week, although I am convinced that it isn't a big deal
Mar 18 20:17:33 <Sparks>	Should we just use the old tools as necessary?
Mar 18 20:17:34 <jjmcd>	I figure I;m trainable -- worst case I write a spc file
Mar 18 20:17:51 <jjmcd>	I don't know how applicable they are
Mar 18 20:18:03 <jjmcd>	I am studying them to see what I can rip off tho
Mar 18 20:18:17 <Sparks>	quaid: We can use the "old" tool to create docs from the Docbook XMLs, correct?
Mar 18 20:18:24 <quaid>	well
Mar 18 20:18:27 <quaid>	yes, but it's a port back
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Mar 18 20:18:40 <Sparks>	Why?
Mar 18 20:18:46 <quaid>	hmm
Mar 18 20:18:50 <jjmcd>	We can create the docs from Pubblican, the only thing we are lacking is the spec file
Mar 18 20:18:55 <quaid>	maybe not so much, but not sure if you can have
Mar 18 20:19:03 <quaid>	as single set of XML files that is subservient to both toolchains.
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Mar 18 20:19:09 <Sparks>	jjmcd: We aren't lacking a spec file... We are lacking proper information in the spec file
Mar 18 20:19:16 <jjmcd>	yes
Mar 18 20:19:17 <quaid>	e.g. fedora-doc-utils uses an rpm-info.xml file, etc.
Mar 18 20:19:30 <quaid>	so what jjmcd is doing
Mar 18 20:19:37 <quaid>	is probably saner, or equally sane.
Mar 18 20:19:44 <Sparks>	Okay
Mar 18 20:19:47 <quaid>	either we make one set of XML files work under both, or
Mar 18 20:19:59 <quaid>	we make it work under Publican and hand-build a .spec file for each guide.
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Mar 18 20:20:04 <quaid>	(which are largely the same spec files, aiui)
Mar 18 20:20:18 <quaid>	in this case, jjmcd has the f-d-u and stickster_afk's brian to pick.
Mar 18 20:20:30 <jjmcd>	I figure people write spec files every day and I'm possibly trainable
Mar 18 20:20:40 <quaid>	with a six of one, half dozen of the other, let's pick whatever moves us the most cm forward.
Mar 18 20:21:02 <jjmcd>	And getting away from a long ugly toolchain is a win imo
Mar 18 20:21:11 <quaid>	hey!
Mar 18 20:21:13 <quaid>	it's not ugly
Mar 18 20:21:16 <Sparks>	jjmcd: I can show you a "proper" spec file
Mar 18 20:21:26 <quaid>	it just doesn't have an upstream other than ourselves :)
Mar 18 20:21:30 <jjmcd>	Well, maybe I should say to a toolchain that somebody else supports
Mar 18 20:21:37 *	quaid has also heard that said about Publican, fwiw :D
Mar 18 20:21:50 <Sparks>	Well, my concern is that we HAVE to get the Release Notes ready.  I'd really like to get the security guide ready before F11, too.
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Mar 18 20:22:33 <jjmcd>	Ryan's work has really moved us much farther along that path than we are accustomed to being at this time
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Mar 18 20:22:47 <Sparks>	+1
Mar 18 20:22:56 <Sparks>	Okay, let's come back to the release notes in a bit.
Mar 18 20:23:40 <Sparks>	jjmcd: Let's work on this more this weekend.  I THINK I should be around.
Mar 18 20:23:48 <jjmcd>	good deal
Mar 18 20:23:55 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - CMS Update <-- ke4qqq
Mar 18 20:24:03 <Sparks>	I don't think ke4qqq is around tonight... 
Mar 18 20:24:12 <radsy>	https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/publican-fedora-0.18-0.fc10,publican-0.44-0.fc10 worth testing
Mar 18 20:24:19 <Sparks>	however I overheard him say that Zikula is now packaged.
Mar 18 20:24:31 <Sparks>	and that he needs some help getting the modules packaged.
Mar 18 20:25:20 <Sparks>	Does anyone have anything to add?
Mar 18 20:25:38 <Sparks>	radsy: Thanks for the link.  I'll try that out as it fixes one of my bugs.
Mar 18 20:25:45 <ianweller>	.whoowns zikula
Mar 18 20:25:45 <zodbot>	ianweller: No such package exists.
Mar 18 20:25:50 *	ianweller shrugs :P
Mar 18 20:26:11 <Sparks>	ianweller: I think it is still going through the process...  b
Mar 18 20:26:15 <Sparks>	but apparently is close
Mar 18 20:26:21 <ianweller>	woo
Mar 18 20:26:57 <Sparks>	Okay... next is...
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Mar 18 20:26:59 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - DocsProject wiki pages changes
Mar 18 20:27:14 <Sparks>	I'm going to hand the mic over to ianweller who has a few words to say.
Mar 18 20:27:26 <ianweller>	actually what i had to say was wrt the wiki itself
Mar 18 20:27:28 <ianweller>	so
Mar 18 20:27:35 *	ianweller has changed the topic to: Docs Project - woo wiki woo
Mar 18 20:27:42 <ianweller>	:)
Mar 18 20:28:04 <ianweller>	um i was talking with mmcgrath yesterday and we'll soon be upgrading from MW 1.13.3 to 1.14.0
Mar 18 20:28:31 <ianweller>	if our extensions still work
Mar 18 20:28:40 <ianweller>	the release notes mention a multitude of bug fixes and some new features. it's mostly API stuff.
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Mar 18 20:29:11 <ianweller>	i got Main Page renamed to Fedora Project Wiki
Mar 18 20:29:27 <ianweller>	and so now we only have three open tickets on fedora-wiki, which is nice.
Mar 18 20:29:43 *	danielsmw claps approvingly.
Mar 18 20:30:01 <Sparks>	What are those tickets?  Anything big?
Mar 18 20:30:05 <ianweller>	on friday, if i don't get distracted, i'll be going through the Packaging.psv file manually
Mar 18 20:30:14 <ianweller>	Sparks: they're big and not really touchable, they're more infrastructure things
Mar 18 20:30:19 <ianweller>	https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-wiki/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=Fedora+11&order=priority
Mar 18 20:30:25 <ianweller>	except for ticket 2
Mar 18 20:30:28 <laubersm>	I should be around some of the day - let me know and I'll help
Mar 18 20:30:40 <ianweller>	laubersm: wonderful
Mar 18 20:31:28 <ianweller>	and as always, if anybody has a problem with the wiki, they can add a ticket at fh.o/fedora-wiki
Mar 18 20:31:36 <ianweller>	everything gets assigned to me by default so i'll see it
Mar 18 20:32:06 *	Sparks writes a bot to log a ticket every minute
Mar 18 20:32:20 *	ianweller opens a ticket at fedora-infrastructure to ban Sparks 
Mar 18 20:32:27 <ianweller>	ok i'm done :)
Mar 18 20:32:28 <laubersm>	I think we need a new push for how renaming helps search - ie blog posts...  I have been seeing renewed enthusiasm for wiki pages but bad name choices
Mar 18 20:32:30 <Sparks>	touche
Mar 18 20:32:53 <ianweller>	laubersm: if you can lead that effort that'd be great
Mar 18 20:33:01 <ianweller>	i feel like i'm throwing things on you massively lol.
Mar 18 20:33:03 <laubersm>	Marketing and Ambassadors have gotten on board (some) but so many more groups should move meeting pages and archive stuff!
Mar 18 20:33:10 *	Sparks thought there was a howto in the help about naming schemes
Mar 18 20:33:17 <laubersm>	Even that little bit would help a lot.
Mar 18 20:33:22 <Sparks>	Maybe some education or something
Mar 18 20:33:28 <jjmcd>	you expect people to read the instructions?
Mar 18 20:33:43 <Sparks>	that or shock therapy
Mar 18 20:34:16 <zoglesby>	ianweller: didn't you do a blog post about that recently?
Mar 18 20:34:19 <danielsmw>	+1 to shock therapy.
Mar 18 20:34:23 <laubersm>	There are what - over 10 of us here tonight - that is one blog post per day for over a week about how renaming helps and where to find the docs...
Mar 18 20:34:38 <ianweller>	zoglesby: i think so
Mar 18 20:34:53 <ianweller>	recently == long enough ago to forget
Mar 18 20:34:55 <ianweller>	;)
Mar 18 20:34:58 <zoglesby>	lol
Mar 18 20:35:17 <laubersm>	Yeah ianweller what happened to wiki tip a week?  Did you go on to wiki tip per year?
Mar 18 20:35:26 <ianweller>	laubersm: :) i realize that every now and then
Mar 18 20:35:29 <ianweller>	and then get horribly distracted. :(
Mar 18 20:35:32 <zoglesby>	I'm not sure how much people think about titles when they add to the wiki as much as it is get the info out there
Mar 18 20:35:36 <ianweller>	and/or have nothing to write about
Mar 18 20:36:29 <laubersm>	zoglesby, the new stuff isn't my biggest concern at the moment - it is cleaning up the old stuff - getting each group to say what stays and what goes.
Mar 18 20:36:36 <Sparks>	ianweller: Is there a naming scheme on the wiki?
Mar 18 20:36:37 <joat>	I think that once it slides off the front page (if it was there at all), people tend to use search functions rather than indexes
Mar 18 20:36:46 <laubersm>	A new page was created recently and didn't show in the search - only it did - it was hit number about 800.
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Mar 18 20:37:08 <jjmcd>	I think newer pages show up last
Mar 18 20:37:19 <ianweller>	Sparks: i really don't know what you're asking
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Mar 18 20:37:44 <Sparks>	we need a page that describes the "proper" way to name a wiki page
Mar 18 20:37:52 <Sparks>	guidelines... ideas... tips
Mar 18 20:37:53 <ianweller>	thought we had one
Mar 18 20:37:59 <ianweller>	somewhere in Help: or FedoraProject:
Mar 18 20:38:00 <laubersm>	jjmcd, which is an infrastructure issue (and a ticket for ianweller)  :) but about half those pages were meeting of F7 or FC4 or ....
Mar 18 20:38:00 <Sparks>	that's my queston
Mar 18 20:38:23 <laubersm>	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Contents
Mar 18 20:38:39 <laubersm>	Sparks, you are looking for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure
Mar 18 20:38:46 <Sparks>	yes, tu
Mar 18 20:39:48 <laubersm>	I also need to get this incorporated somewhere: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Laubersm/wiki_cleanup_notes
Mar 18 20:40:17 <Sparks>	Okay, I'll put something out on the blog tonight...  If we see someone create a new page that is named poorly let's contact the creator and point them to that help page
Mar 18 20:41:40 <Sparks>	How many "docs" pages do we still need to rename?
Mar 18 20:41:59 <laubersm>	I think the DocsProject/* pages are all renamed - though many still need updating in content.
Mar 18 20:42:07 <laubersm>	There are some Docs/* pages left though
Mar 18 20:42:13 <laubersm>	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Docs_Project
Mar 18 20:42:17 <jjmcd>	I found a few of the Docs/Beats pages the other night - had a different agenda tho so didn't rename them
Mar 18 20:42:37 <jjmcd>	But I have a list
Mar 18 20:42:49 <laubersm>	I have been trying to get them into a category or sub category....
Mar 18 20:43:32 <laubersm>	I would also like to see the Docs Project category with a few less items - ie placed into  reasonable sub categories...
Mar 18 20:44:33 <laubersm>	It is a wiki - be bold - and don't wait for me :)
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Mar 18 20:44:48 <ianweller>	or me :)
Mar 18 20:45:10 <jjmcd>	third quarter buzzer
Mar 18 20:45:33 <Sparks>	Okay, anything else for the wiki?
Mar 18 20:45:44 <ianweller>	newp
Mar 18 20:45:53 *	ianweller has changed the topic to: Docs Project - not the wiki
Mar 18 20:46:12 <laubersm>	yeah - what he said
Mar 18 20:46:39 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Release Notes <-- ryanlerch & jjmcd
Mar 18 20:46:47 <jjmcd>	I have a few notes
Mar 18 20:46:48 <Sparks>	ryanlerch: jjmcd: What's the word?
Mar 18 20:46:53 <jjmcd>	1) Reviewed beats for Beta one page, looks pretty reasonable
Mar 18 20:47:00 <jjmcd>	2) quaid assures me we need to do nothing for the one-page
Mar 18 20:47:08 <jjmcd>	3) Need better update info on ext4, ke4qqq working on it
Mar 18 20:47:15 <jjmcd>	4) Just got an update on EDA from Chitlesh, outstanding
Mar 18 20:47:23 <jjmcd>	5) There are some places we are weak, but most we can deal with. We need the most help on the Networking beat
Mar 18 20:47:32 <jjmcd>	6) Ryan moved Publican source to git, I moved a little more from wiki to Publican, looks like Ryan did too.  Still work to do there but not in really bad shape.
Mar 18 20:47:41 <jjmcd>	7) Wiki freeze 4/1, preview RNs due 15th, I estimate 2-3 days work between now and 15th
Mar 18 20:47:50 <jjmcd>	that's the end of my notes
Mar 18 20:48:23 <ryanlerch>	that about sums it up for me as well...
Mar 18 20:49:02 <Sparks>	Okay... Any questions?
Mar 18 20:49:33 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Installation Guide <-- ke4qqq
Mar 18 20:49:42 <Sparks>	And ke4qqq is no where to be found...
Mar 18 20:49:48 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Security Guide <-- sparks
Mar 18 20:49:53 <Sparks>	Okay...  
Mar 18 20:50:08 <Sparks>	actually... radsy, do you have anything for the Security Guide?
Mar 18 20:50:40 <radsy>	there are some minor changes that were brought up from the community review
Mar 18 20:50:47 <radsy>	that i'd like to implement
Mar 18 20:50:54 <rudi>	FWIW, there's a test build of the Publicanized IG now massively expanded with content from its RHEL equivalent available here: http://rlandmann.fedorapeople.org/Installation%20Guide/en-US/
Mar 18 20:51:11 <jjmcd>	I was looking at that -- looks pretty good
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Mar 18 20:51:15 <radsy>	but still not sure what's happening with packaging etc.
Mar 18 20:51:31 <Sparks>	rudi: I'm sorry, I forgot you were handling that...  I'll come back to you in a second.
Mar 18 20:51:37 <rudi>	NP
Mar 18 20:51:46 <Sparks>	radsy: Okay, I just downloaded the new versions of Publican.
Mar 18 20:51:59 <jjmcd>	Are we going to translate the guides to 40 languages, too?
Mar 18 20:52:12 <Sparks>	radsy: I'm going to grab the latest from SVN and package it and put it on the ticket and also let jjmcd have a run at it
Mar 18 20:52:21 <radsy>	ok great
Mar 18 20:52:27 <Sparks>	jjmcd: Yes please
Mar 18 20:53:19 <radsy>	i have been moved to mdious' old selinux confined services guide, so i'm stretching it to have the time to put in much more
Mar 18 20:53:28 <radsy>	by release
Mar 18 20:53:39 <Sparks>	cool
Mar 18 20:54:06 <radsy>	some good feedback from the community however.
Mar 18 20:54:14 <radsy>	that's about all for me
Mar 18 20:54:17 <Sparks>	Okay, anything else for the Sec Guide?
Mar 18 20:54:46 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Installation Guide <-- rui
Mar 18 20:54:49 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Installation Guide <-- rudi
Mar 18 20:55:03 <Sparks>	rudi: what have you got for us today?
Mar 18 20:55:45 <rudi>	Well, still working on single-sourcing the Fedora and RHEL versions of the guide
Mar 18 20:56:16 <rudi>	There's a lot of content that I've been able to scrounge from the RHEL version to expand the Fedora version
Mar 18 20:56:43 <rudi>	(and that situation will reverse as RHEL 6 looms)
Mar 18 20:56:54 <rudi>	The biggest visual change is lots of pretty pictures :)
Mar 18 20:57:16 <rudi>	(Something like 40 or 50 screenshots now, in 36 languages)
Mar 18 20:57:22 <Sparks>	Wow
Mar 18 20:58:00 <rudi>	A really exciting thing on the L10N front is that there are six languages other than English that are also essentially complete
Mar 18 20:58:12 <Sparks>	That's great!
Mar 18 20:58:36 <rudi>	By a strange co-incidence, I'm currently working on the "Uninstalling RHEL" chapter
Mar 18 20:58:48 <rudi>	Which dovetails nicely with the conversation on f-d-l
Mar 18 20:59:05 <Sparks>	funny how it seems to work that way.
Mar 18 20:59:12 <rudi>	So I'll be drawing on the wiki to augment and expand that material and make it more Fedora-specific
Mar 18 20:59:13 <Sparks>	So will have be in the Installation guide?
Mar 18 20:59:33 *	Tsagadai (n=ccurran at nat/redhat/x-9df8e12e00bd2639) has joined #Fedora-meeting
Mar 18 20:59:39 <Sparks>	So will that be in the Installation guide?
Mar 18 20:59:53 <rudi>	Seems like a logical place for it
Mar 18 21:00:13 <Sparks>	in some sort of weird world, yes.  
Mar 18 21:00:20 <Sparks>	kinda like having to "start" to shut down
Mar 18 21:00:21 <Sparks>	:)
Mar 18 21:00:29 <rudi>	Heh indeed :)
Mar 18 21:00:32 <jjmcd>	Sounds like Windows - to stop click start
Mar 18 21:00:38 <jjmcd>	yeah
Mar 18 21:00:50 <rudi>	I should have finished preparing that sometime in the next few hours
Mar 18 21:00:55 <laubersm>	rudi - feel free to add to the wiki page too...  at least a link that there is more info in <other place>
Mar 18 21:01:05 <rudi>	thanks laubersm
Mar 18 21:01:23 <Sparks>	quaid: No one follows us at this hour, correct?
Mar 18 21:01:45 <rudi>	But anyway, that's about it.
Mar 18 21:01:51 <Sparks>	cool
Mar 18 21:01:53 <Sparks>	Anyone have any questions or comments?
Mar 18 21:01:53 *	jjmcd doesn't hear anyone beating on the door
Mar 18 21:01:56 <danielsmw>	I just wanted to say that a few of us ended up making an odfpy07 package which, when installed, fixes the problems we were having with mw-render.  I'm going to try to get that approved as a fedora package and hopefully mw-render will be back in business.
Mar 18 21:02:02 <danielsmw>	Then the UG can be converted and done.
Mar 18 21:02:05 <danielsmw>	And that's all. :)
Mar 18 21:02:47 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on User Guide <--danielsmw
Mar 18 21:02:58 <Sparks>	So what danielsmw said... :)
Mar 18 21:03:02 <danielsmw>	No, really!  That was all!
Mar 18 21:03:03 <danielsmw>	Basically
Mar 18 21:03:09 <danielsmw>	kirkz has been doing
Mar 18 21:03:10 <Sparks>	Anyone have any questions?
Mar 18 21:03:14 <danielsmw>	an amazing about of editing.
Mar 18 21:03:21 <danielsmw>	so we just need to convert to xml.
Mar 18 21:03:38 <Sparks>	excellent
Mar 18 21:04:05 <Sparks>	Okay... moving right along...
Mar 18 21:04:07 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on SELinux Guide <-- mdious
Mar 18 21:04:25 <Sparks>	I don't think mdious is onboard tonight.
Mar 18 21:04:32 <ianweller>	he is not.
Mar 18 21:04:34 <radsy>	i've been moved to this guide
Mar 18 21:04:40 *	danielsmw has quit ("Lost terminal")
Mar 18 21:04:45 <Sparks>	radsy: Okay, do you have anything you'd like to say?
Mar 18 21:04:50 <radsy>	mdious left the docs team
Mar 18 21:05:17 <Sparks>	really?
Mar 18 21:05:18 <ianweller>	wha
Mar 18 21:05:25 <radsy>	very little to report for the managing-confined-services guide, only minor changes and lots of planning
Mar 18 21:05:53 <radsy>	he's gone to the other side of our office, the security response team
Mar 18 21:06:20 <Sparks>	wow
Mar 18 21:06:33 <Sparks>	Okay, so any questions about the SELinux guide?
Mar 18 21:06:36 <ianweller>	:(
Mar 18 21:06:54 <radsy>	thought you all knew :\
Mar 18 21:07:24 <Sparks>	radsy: Nope, hadn't heard that
Mar 18 21:08:28 <radsy>	well, no questions or major updates really, still early days
Mar 18 21:08:42 <Sparks>	Okay...
Mar 18 21:08:44 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Open Discussion
Mar 18 21:08:46 <laubersm>	Another thing I noticed that needs to be done at some point...  is a cleanup of bugzilla  (Classification: Fedora - Product: Fedora Documentation)
Mar 18 21:08:47 <Sparks>	Anyone have anything?
Mar 18 21:08:50 <laubersm>	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora%20Documentation&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED
Mar 18 21:08:55 <laubersm>	83 bugs?
Mar 18 21:09:08 <laubersm>	A lot look like they are auto assigned to quaid or stickster_afk
Mar 18 21:09:13 <Sparks>	laubersm: I don't think I have access to those bugs...
Mar 18 21:09:23 <Sparks>	quaid: You still here?
Mar 18 21:09:26 <laubersm>	I closed a bunch as wont fix - EOL
Mar 18 21:09:37 <Sparks>	laubersm: Cool.
Mar 18 21:09:49 <laubersm>	.fasinfo laubersm
Mar 18 21:09:50 <Sparks>	laubersm: How many are left? 
Mar 18 21:09:51 <zodbot>	laubersm: User: laubersm, Name: Susan Lauber, email: susan at ties.org, Creation: 2008-09-26, IRC Nick: , Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5115531, GPG key ID: BFA10974
Mar 18 21:09:53 <zodbot>	laubersm: Approved Groups: cla_done fedorabugs docs sysadmin ambassadors cla_fedora sysadmin-test gitinstall-guide gitwikirename gituser-guide
Mar 18 21:09:54 <zodbot>	laubersm: Unapproved Groups: None
Mar 18 21:10:05 <laubersm>	quaid, and stickster_afk helped me get fedorabugs group in fas
Mar 18 21:10:15 <laubersm>	that let me work on some cleanup.
Mar 18 21:10:18 <Sparks>	ahhh
Mar 18 21:10:19 <Sparks>	cool
Mar 18 21:10:31 <Sparks>	I'll check on that.
Mar 18 21:10:35 <laubersm>	But I don't really have time right now to add that to my list of things to do.
Mar 18 21:10:46 <Sparks>	Anyone have anything else?
Mar 18 21:11:32 <Sparks>	5
Mar 18 21:11:33 <Sparks>	4
Mar 18 21:11:35 <Sparks>	3
Mar 18 21:11:36 <Sparks>	2
Mar 18 21:11:37 <Sparks>	1
Mar 18 21:11:46 <Sparks>	Thanks everyone for coming!
Mar 18 21:11:46 <Sparks>	</meeting>
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