[FAmSCo] Considering Additional Restrictions on Ambassador Membership

[David Nalley]

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Joerg Simon <jsimon at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Hi David, Hi FAmSCo,
>
> back from vacation and right now i sort out all the emails that
> need attention - this is one of them ;)
>
> Am 28.05.2010 22:17, schrieb David Nalley:
>> Hi All:
>> I was asked at FADNA to bring up with FAmSCo for consideration the
>> thought of requiring some time in the Fedora Project or CLA+1 before
>> permitting people to join the Ambassadors.
>>
>> You can see the initial research from a blog post on Ian Weller's blog:
>>
>> http://ianweller.org/2010/05/26/fad-na-2010-can-you-see/
>
> this are very interesting numbers especially to know that more than a
> half candidates apply within one Day after signing the cla
>
> but what we also need to know if the people who apply within this short
> period of time, are also the people that become rejected because they
> are not ready
>
>> Again - this doesn't establish correlation (or causality) between
>> early application and failure, however the group at FADNA wanted me to
>> bring this to FAmSCo for consideration, and potentially decisions.
>>
>> I personally am not ready to further raise the barrier. There is talk
>> that mentors feel demoralized because essentially everyone is getting
>> rejected that they talk to.
>
> If we look at our numbers the Process we have already established works
> as a filter
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2010-04#Mentoring
>
> But i understand, that if Mentors invest their time just to get to the
> conclusion that the candidate needs to get rejected because he is not
> ready it can be very frustrating - for this reason one Freedom every
> Mentor has, is to decide what barrier he wants to
> raise personally - as example to require one month active work in
> marketing or so - here the Mentor is completely free to decide (that is
> why we are very careful with choosing who becomes a mentor)
>
>
>> It's also clear that we are setting the
>> wrong expectation or doing something else wrong when well upwards of
>> 90% of applications never make it.
>>
>> I personally think we need more information from FAS before we can
>> render an intelligent opinion, and I'd like to go back to Ian Weller
>> with some requests for information or modify his python script myself,
>> so what information would let you make an informed decision?
>
> from my pov we need to know, how much of the 55,6% (who apply within the
> first day) make it to become Ambassadors. And how much of the
> Contributors get approval who have the CLA signed since more than 3 month?
> This would help to consider a requirement for active work in other
> groups before.
>
> Lets make this also a topic for the todays famsco meeting.
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda#2010-05-31_agenda
>
> cu Joerg
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Hi All:

I am on the hook to revive this conversation - so are there any
thoughts - are there any statistics that it would be worthwhile for us
to have?

Do we care?