[FAmSCo] Current Tasks

[S.Kemter]

Hi,

2016-03-16 19:57 GMT+07:00 Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert at gmail.com>:

> 2016-03-14 15:43 GMT+01:00 Giannis Konstantinidis
> <giannis at konstantinidis.cc>:
> >
> > On March 9, 2016 at 2:03 PM Christoph Wickert <
> christoph.wickert at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > If potty had not stepped down, I would have voted for him, which would
> > > have changed the outcome of the election.
> >
> > Why didn't you do that, then?
>
> Because I was too busy with real-life. As you might know I have just
> changed jobs and relocated. I'm very sorry, this caused a temporary
> unavailability, but I cannot change it. All I can do is get back to
> work now, and even though (I think) I'm quite acitve now again,
> catching up turns out harder than expected (and in nearlier FAmSCos).
>
> In fact, before Potty withdrew his nomination, I already had drafted a
> mail outlining my concerns, but I did not finish the mail because I
> was afraid of a lengthy discussion. Seems I was right.
>
> > It has already been decided for Puno. AFAIK lbazan and potty are either
> part
> > of the organizing team or they are at least well-connected to it.
>
> Ticket #388 [1] is a good example of why it is so catching up is so
> hard. The ticket was discussed in at least one meeting, but there
> absolutely no information in trac. When you reconfirm your +1, I
> wonder where your original +1 was. And obviously I'm not the only one
> who has questions, Gabriele also had some and Sirko is even holding
> back his vote.
>
> > Gnokii has provided a few clarifications during the last meeting.
>
> Not really. He called my concerns an "more an insult as an question",
> but did not really address them.
>
> @Sirko: No offense implied, no reason to be offended. My concern has
> been raised before, it was even mentioned in the bid itself [2].
>


Ok, to clearify it again. Hanoi 4 contributors, Kuala Lumpur 4
contributors, so there you would not ask? Nor do you ask the same question
to Puno. To be honest, have you ever looked into who made this entry there,
which you show under [2] No? I tell you the competitors from Pune did. They
made a discussion and climate that was more then contra productive. When it
comes to the amount of contributors, then we can hold only FUDCons in Pune
and Kolkatta, because there we have a large contributors amount because of
the RH offices located there. So it was not me who raised that concern nor
another Cambodian. And the amount of 4 isnt correct anymore, we have 4
Ambassadors, but 6 contributors.

>
> Please be so kind as to clarify some things:
> 1. Including you we currently have 4 ambassadors in Cambodia [3]. How
> many more contributors do you think you will have to fly in order to
> have enough speakers?
> 2. How many attendees do you expect to need sponsoring? How much would
> that be and what budget would it come from? I guess the regional
> budgets, right? Who decides who gets money from which bucket? Is there
> a clear distinction, say speakers vs, attendees?
> 3. In the meeting you said airfare was cheap, somewhere between USD 35
> and 90 for a return flight. On the other hand the wiki says something
> about USD 500 (USD 6000 / 12 people). Where does this big difference
> come from?
>

I will answer that kind of question, only if you ask the same to Puno! Its
a clear insult to ask that just in this case and not in the other one. When
it comes to who decides, why you coming this year with it and never before
otherwise you would have noticed that the organizers rejected people to be
flown in so that the can fly in indian nationals from US and Canada ;) As I
answered that question already to Josh, we can leave it like we always had
it to the local organizers but I have no problem to leave that decision to
another gremium.

Where the big difference comes from, because I am not jesus and can see in
the future, who applies for the travel. If an high average from SEA signs
up the costs will be definitely cheaper. But it might be for you unknown to
make an average estimation, and well 500$ is the average international
travel cost a person. I can fly in for 500$ nearly all contributors from
Singapore so 5 or 1 from India, its the average you have to calculate.

This kind of game you playing here is clear contra productive. We didnt
have that much FUDCon in APAC and exactly that is why, because everybody
sticks his head into the sand, seeing how different its handeled. Here
endless discussions, about how many to fly in for LATAM no discussion as
well. Its discussed to dead! Other people see this and dont bid and on the
end our community in APAC isnt growing because of exactly that. Its just we
have to go to India always from 5 FUDCon we had so far in APAC, 3 already
been there. They promised a more "contributor" oriented FUDCon but on the
end, they also tried to fetch new contributors a lot. So a possibility you
not want to grant in this region to others!

Our friend Tuan, big mouth last year to the bid "other communities" want
also to bid, on my question which community that shall be, no answer. Was
funny already as I was behind this bids also. But the Singaporeans have
given up, exactly for that reason and style of discussion. Its like find
something against it, not what do we have from and working together to make
it possible. They just saw, what arguments always come up and are answered
and come up again and again and again. Instead of saying, yes its good for
that region and look if we can do it.

That is what demotivates here.


br gnokii

> Based on that proposal, I believe that it would really make sense to open
> up
> > a greater discussion related to a) cleaning up inactive mentors (who are
> > clearly not interested in mentoring new ambassadors anymore) and b)
> having a
> > new round of mentor nominations.
>
> Agreed, but I think it should be clear
>
>
> > Is this a ticket for this? I only see
> > https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/359 but it seems to address a
> > different issue, namely mentors who want to step down (once and for
> > all).
> >
>
>
> [1] https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/388
> [2]
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_PhnomPenh_2016#Points_from_bid_discussions
> [3]
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification
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