Has Anybody Seen Bug Fixes for Anything?

Eli Wapniarski eli at orbsky.homelinux.org
Sun May 31 07:43:01 UTC 2009

On Sunday 31 May 2009 09:57:58 Ben Boeckel wrote:
> Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > On Saturday 30 May 2009 23:21:36 Anne Wilson wrote:
> >> On Saturday 30 May 2009 18:03:19 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> >> > Hi All
> >> >
> >> > Just installed the Beta from unstable. Seriously... has
> anybody actually
> >> > seen bug fixes? Or are the KDE developers simply adding
> features that add
> >> > more bugs?
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Dozens of them.  Anything particular in mind?
> >>
> >
> > Here:
> >
> > These are the ones I've checked at first glance. Almost all
> of them Konqueror related, And none
> > of the Konqueror bugs have been addressed. Leave a this for
> starters.
> >
> > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157454
> Seems fine to me in 4.3b1. Seems slow to load, but once done, I
> don't see any performance issues. The toolbar has a little
> delay before seeing the hand cursor, but clicking still works
> as expected despite the cursor not changing.

I've had this problem there practically forever. And it still persists for me

> > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172534
> Something like this isn't going to please everybody in every
> situation. Personally, I find the issue in that background/font
> color are separate choices in CSS. They should be required
> together or not at all.
> This is almost always the kicker for me going back to Oxygen
> colors after using Obsidian Coast for a while. Firefox has just
> as bad a time with it as Konqueror in my experience.

The default CSS should contain default web black on white colors. Not the template used by the desktop manager. Best reason is that many email clients do not generate html headers at all. Its unlikely that they will anytime soon.

> > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106367
> Cannot confirm in 4.3b1.
> > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157481
> Flash-related, nothing we in Fedora can do.

Works very well in firefox. So no, it isn't just flash related, but how konqueror handles the scripts generated.

> > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157483
> Confirmed in 4.3b1 as well. By watching what happens in
> Firefox, it instead enforces the requested table size, loads
> the text then starts the scrolling. This causes text to be
> written on top of other text before the page is completely
> loaded. Konqueror uses the height of the marquee for the
> marquee, but for layout, there is no size specified.
> Personally, I think the site is relying on other browser
> bugs/quirks. Looking at the source and references, the height
> attribute isn't necessary (looking at wiki's list of attributes
> for it; hell, marquee isn't even standard), so Konqueror would
> just be playing puppet to other browsers. There is no standard
> dictating how those should be handled.
> > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167825
> Not something I get to test/use all that often (read: maybe
> once or twice in a few years), but I can see why it's
> important.
> > The last on complains about the lack of capability to stretch
> panels across 2 monitors. And this
> > lack, in my desktop environment, represents a real useabiltiy
> bug. Serious enough for me to move
> > to xfce which does this flawlessly.
> KDE Brainstorm may be a place for this.

Its already there.


End result won't fix. Becuase its too hard. (Professionalism at work).

> > As for konqueror vs firefox. Look firefox is not a kde app.
> Its mime types automatically link to
> > gtk apps. Currently and more and more tentatively I use kde.
> I do not want to use gtk apps to
> > read pdf or view multimedia or evolution and I do not want to
> have to manually reconfigure the
> > gazillion or so mime types to open kde apps. If I want to use
> gtk apps I would use a gtk based
> > windows manager. I use kde and a core application is very
> badly broken.
> I understand; Firefox is a Windows app ported to Linux making
> it play its own game (I touched on this in my latest rant in my
> blog).
> > Look I need to say this; plasmoids are a very very nice idea.
> They look great and make the
> > desktop look cool. The things is the desktop is next to
> useless. It gets covered up as soon as
> > you use your computer to do anything at all. Unless of course
> the way you use your computer is to
> > simply stare at your cool desktop. Heck I even have a package
> out there of a plasmoid. But being
> > the end all and be all of windows management is a colossal
> mistake. Panels are the only app that
> > makes the desktop constantly useful. Applets (ok plasmoids
> now) on panels when designed correctly
> > places functionality, accessibility and information
> immediately available with a single click or
> > quick glance regardless of what else is going on (except for
> full screen games :) ).
> So don't place plasmoids on the desktop. My desktop is
> currently...just a wallpaper. I have too many windows open all
> the time to deal with moving them around. I have quite a few
> locked in position/size/desktop and the mask has no hole in it,
> so no position is always safe here. Ctrl-F12 is there to expose
> the plasmoids. I just tested and if you're dragging something,
> it isn't lost.

> > People use browsers, word processors, games, email client, im
> clients etc. The first app that
> > gets opened makes the desktop disappear.
> This was a major problem with the old desktop. It was almost
> always covered (at least here), so it was of limited use.
> > If the apps don't work what good is the desktop other
> > than to look pretty but dumb. I do not need my desktop or
> apps to be a huge blonde moment (male
> > or female take your pick). I need to get the things done. If
> kde developers want to jerk around
> > they're bored and get things half finished and then say brand
> new here it is. This whole process
> > has been one the least professional processes I have been
> through in computing in a very long
> > time. (Fedora / KDE people notwithstanding in this tirade
> they as usual do a superb job) then
> > ignore their user base, well then there will be defection.
> Which by the way I am seriously
> > considering and trust me when I say this i
> >  s painful for me since I have been a loyal and passionate
> kde user for years as Rex can attest.
> >  But enough is enough. If I wanted to install super karamba I
> would have installed super karamb
> >  a. Now KDE has pushed it down my throat in the form of
> plasmoids the very least they could do is
> >  have the thing work the way it should.
> You don't need to have plasmoids everywhere. I don't. Current
> list of active plasmoids:
> Desktop:
> Panel:
>     Task Manager
>     System Tray
>     Pager
>     Device Notifier
>     Weather
>     Battery Monitor (laptop only)
>     Digital Clock

The point here is that KDE has spent an awful lot of time hard wiring features into the desktop that are eye candy without any real functionality. And in and off itself adds bugs and I can't shut it off or remove it. Even if I don't use any extra plasmoids, the desktop itself is a plasmoid. And it doesn't work right either mind you the being able to drill down folders make it 3/4 done as opposed to 1/2 done.

> Nothing that the old panel didn't have that is clutter. Having
> thing replaceable is great. Now people can get Windows 7-like
> taskbars without it being forced down everyone's throats
> (stasks isn't for me). New ways of doing things don't need
> reworking low-level code. I don't see what isn't working with
> them (the dual monitor thing I can see, but I couldn't get it
> to work with Kicker back in KDE3 days either).
> > 4.3 is a personal milestone for me. After a tirade like this
> one, to be fair I will wait till 4.4
> > and leave without a whisper (I'm sure some are saying yea!!!
> :)  ) . KDE either works the way it
> > should or I will have to go elsewhere.
> Everyone has their limits and you can't please everyone all the
> time.


> > Thanks for Listening :)
> I don't use tts. Reading was fun. :O)
> > Eli
> --Ben
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