Plasma 5 and KDE Workspaces in F22

Thu Mar 26 16:00:00 UTC 2015

On Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:17:30 PM Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 03/26/15 20:44, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > Ed Greshko wrote:
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> >> On 03/26/15 18:18, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>> "but the burden of maintaining two KDE desktops is one too many" was
> >>> pretty clear - since nobody maintains KDE4 for F22 you can't stick on it
> >> 
> >> Well, if you're not given the choice then don't you think it wise to
> >> remove "KDE Plasma Workspaces" from the choices listed by "dnf group
> >> list"?
> > 
> > Why?  (It's still called Plasma)
> 
> I suppose what is confusing me is the mixture of terminology.
> 
> With F22 you have packages installed like "kf5-plasma" which the info
> describes as "KDE Frameworks 5 Tier 3..." and you have "kde-runtime" which
> is described as "Core runtime for KDE 4".  So, some places I see 4 and some
> places I see 5.

There's been big branding change in the software released by the KDE Community 
and there is also a big mess in the terminology, so people indeed often get 
confused.

We have 3 major products now:

KDE Frameworks 5
Set of many libraries split from kdelibs (and other projects) into individual 
submodules and ported to Qt 5. Those are packaged in Fedora as kf5-foo. kf5-
plasma is one of the Frameworks - it's a library that provides Plasma 
technology , which can be used to build user interfaces (used by Plasma 
workspace, or for example Amarok to build the main part of UI).

Plasma 5: the workspace based on the Plasma technology and related utilities 
and applets, successor to KDE Workspaces 4 (packaged as kde-workspace). Those 
are packaged as plasma-* in Fedora (plasma-workspace, plasma-desktop, plasma-
nm etc).

KDE Applications: self-explanatory - applications created by the KDE Community 
- includes everything from Dolphin to KDE PIM etc. This currently contain mix 
of applications based on KDE Frameworks 5 (and Qt 5) and kdelibs4, so it will 
drag in some KDE 4 deps as well (including kde-runtime).

> Then, if I do "dnf group install KDE Plasma Workspaces" I would have
> expected one of two things to happen.  Either it would tell me that I
> already had it installed or it would have offered to install additional
> packages that weren't included when F22 was initially installed as that is
> what happens with F21.  I would not have expected a failure.

KDE Plasma Workspaces still gives you KDE Plasma Workspaces, but it gives you 
Plasma 5 workspace instead of KDE Workspace 4.

Hope this clarifies it a bit :-)

Cheers,
Daniel

> 
> [root at localhost ~]# dnf group install "KDE Plasma Workspaces"
> Using metadata from Thu Mar 26 11:00:43 2015
> Error: installed package plasma-nm-openswan-5.2.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes
> kde-plasma-nm-openswan < 5.0.0-1 provided by
> kde-plasma-nm-openswan-0.9.3.5-7.fc22.x86_64. installed package
> plasma-nm-vpnc-5.2.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes kde-plasma-nm-vpnc < 5.0.0-1
> provided by kde-plasma-nm-vpnc-0.9.3.5-7.fc22.x86_64. installed package
> plasma-nm-l2tp-5.2.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes kde-plasma-nm-l2tp < 5.0.0-1
> provided by kde-plasma-nm-l2tp-0.9.3.5-7.fc22.x86_64. installed package
> plasma-nm-openvpn-5.2.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes kde-plasma-nm-openvpn <
> 5.0.0-1 provided by kde-plasma-nm-openvpn-0.9.3.5-7.fc22.x86_64. installed
> package kf5-baloo-file-5.6.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes baloo-file < 5.0.1-2
> provided by baloo-file-4.14.3-1.fc22.x86_64. installed package
> plasma-nm-pptp-5.2.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes kde-plasma-nm-pptp < 5.0.0-1
> provided by kde-plasma-nm-pptp-0.9.3.5-7.fc22.x86_64. installed package
> plasma-nm-openconnect-5.2.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes
> kde-plasma-nm-openconnect < 5.0.0-1 provided by
> kde-plasma-nm-openconnect-0.9.3.5-7.fc22.x86_64. installed package
> plasma-nm-5.2.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes kde-plasma-nm < 5.0.0-1 provided by
> kde-plasma-nm-0.9.3.5-7.fc22.x86_64. installed package
> plasma-desktop-doc-5.2.1-6.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes kde-runtime-docs <
> 1:14.12.3-2 provided by kde-runtime-docs-14.12.3-2.fc22.noarch

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