[Fedora-spins] When to rebrand fedora?

[Sebastian Dziallas]

Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> Paul W. Frields wrote:
>> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 00:44 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
>>> Bryan Kearney wrote:
>>>> In the same way that there is a generic-logos is there any reason to not 
>>>> provide a generic-release? That way rebrandins is the following in the 
>>>> kickstart file
>>>>
>>> We have not required fedora-release to not be on the rebranded system as 
>>> of yet. Rebranding means removing the trademarked materials which are 
>>> all in fedora-logos (except for /etc/fedora-release which is responsible 
>>> for "Fedora" popping up in the little "Welcome to (...)!" message when 
>>> you boot up.
>> Wouldn't this make sense to do, though?  Especially seeing as how the
>> name "Fedora" is part of the trademark.
>>
> 
> I'm CC:'ing the Fedora Spins list for other people that might show 
> interest in this discussion.
> 
> To me it doesn't make sense removing fedora-release from a downstream 
> distribution and then still say "based on Fedora" or "Fedora 
> derivative". This, in my opinion, should not be a requirement. I'd like 
> to enable people to do it anyway, with the click of a mouse, but it's 
> not that simple at this point.

Yeah! +1

> Fwiw the Fedora Spin SIG only requires new spin concepts that do not yet 
> have Board Approval to exclude fedora-logos from their package manifest. 
> Requiring anything more then that also involves more work for the spin 
> requester/maintainer (and a little more for the Spin SIG as well).

...and I'm happy that's the way it is :)

The Spin SIG already helped to simplify things significantly. So let's 
not make it more complicated than we need to do. Just let me cite Jeff, 
who stated some time ago on devel-list:

 >> Fact 0:
 >> We want people to build quality spins.
 >> Fact 1:
 >> our spin creation tools are make it dirt simple to create spins, but
 >> we still need a best-practices approach with human review to ensure
 >> quality.
 >> Fact 2:
 >> We do not have the resource to build and host every possible spin
 >> that the community is interested in building.

> How we handle fedora-release being the cause for "Welcome to (...)" is 
> also a thread on -devel, and afaic is a cosmetic thing for downstream 
> distributions, not a requirement from Fedora (IMO).
> 
> Taking this a little further, the trademark policy can simply not 
> require a downstream distribution to remove all occurrences of the 
> Fedora trademark (as a string) from the entire system. Although I'd like 
> to enable them to do so, it's simply not scalable to keep track of where 
> the Fedora name might occur in a package name, file name or file contents.

I mean, we're not going to build the next CentOS or anything like this, 
are we? Just take the folks there as an example: They need weeks or even 
months for rebuilding the OS. Maybe this example isn't really fitting 
here... but I agree with Jeroen - it might be almost impossible to wipe 
the name Fedora from the whole distribution just for respinning it.

> Since we're on the topic, I've also suggested on the "new trademark 
> policy" wiki page[1], that rebranding should not be required in case you 
> hand out a presentation or demo in case of an ISV, if you have built it 
> upon Fedora and are simply handing it out to attendees of your session 
> (which kinda equals to limited distribution, e.g. non-public). Same 
> might apply to downstream vendors distributing appliances (like VMWare 
> used to distribute .vmx files for some operating systems/distributions?)

+1

This sounds really reasonable! If this would be well defined and then 
added to the trademark policy, it would be, in my opinion, a real 
improvement.

> Anyway, these are just some of the thoughts that cross my mind drinking 
> my first cup of coffee today... Let me know what you think ;-)

/me gotta run for a cup of coffee, too ;)

Best Regards,
Sebastian Dziallas

> Kind regards,
> 
> Jeroen van Meeuwen
> -kanarip
> 
> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/NewTrademarkGuidelines
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