[Bug 401641] Add dependency on mkfontdir and mkfontscale: xorg-x11-font-utils

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Summary: Add dependency on mkfontdir and mkfontscale: xorg-x11-font-utils


------- Additional Comments From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl  2007-11-28 06:10 EST -------
(In reply to comment #5)
> (In reply to comment #4)
> > Alternatively we could fix the font guidelines to drop the bogus demand 
> This is not a bogus demand and works fine for other font backends, and there's
> no reason it can not work fine for core fonts.

True, it might very well be made to work for core fonts, but, see below ...

> > And Nicolas, can we please get some more care for core fonts in the font sig,
> Core fonts will get as much care in the SIG as core fonts users contribute. It's
> a wiki, write autoritative core font scriptlets or guidelines I've said many
> times I would welcome them.
> What I refuse to do is to do this work in the stead of core font users. I've
> paid the "can not find font fixed" price like everyone in the distro for years,
> it's time for core font users to start taking care of themselves.

The problem is not that you are refusing to work on core font Guidelines, the
problem is that you are actually meddling with Core fonts existing practices in
such a way that core fonts break. If you don't want to touch core fonts, then
don't touch them, including not touching the requires needed for the current

Here is what the font sig has done:
* Create a guildeline that font scriptlets may not have requires

* Poof core fonts are broken

Here is what the font sig should have done:
* Create guidelines for core font scriptlets so that the requires are no longer
  needed, yet things still work.
* Create a guideline saying that core font scriptlet requires are no longer
  allowed, and that instead the new scriplets should be used.

* Things stay working

Or alternatively the font sig could have done this:
* Don't make any changes to core fonts as they are fragile, and this means
  keeping the requires for mkfontdir / mkfontscale

* Things stay working

You (the font sig) have broken things, so now YOU get to fix it. Its really that
simple, everything else is just white noise. If you don't want to fix ti, then
undo the breaking.

Breaking things and then saying yeah we broke it, but we don't care about it so
its not our problem, is not acceptable <period>.

> > core fonts are not going to go away,
> > they are used by Xt and derived toolkits like Xaw, and motif, that adds up to
> > a lot of apps we are talking about.
> Then surely there is at least one core font user willing to expend the time to
> think about and write core fonts packaging guidelines.

Perhaps, but right now the font sig is doing things backwards, YOU are actively
causing breakage, while you should have waited / worked in guidelines instead of
just breaking things. YOU are causing regressions, stop doing that please.

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