Maithili language support gdm problem in Fedora

[Behdad Esfahbod]

On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 08:02 +0530, Parag N(पराग़) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 8/6/08, Behdad Esfahbod <besfahbo at redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 13:03 +0530, Parag N(पराग़) wrote:
> >  > Hi,
> >  >   We have already missed F10 Alpha release and I am still struggling
> >  > to get Maithili language support included in rawhide. The problem I see
> >  > is that we need to modify fontconfig package to include Maithili
> >  > language. I submitted bug[1] to add Maithili in  bugzilla against
> >  > fontconfig 3 months back. But package maintainer of fontconfig closed it
> >  > instantly and made it upstream[2].
> >  >    I submitted required input in upstream bug. But, still no response
> >  > from upstream. If package maintainer is not willing to do code level
> >  > changes and also upstream then I will see no progress to add Maithili
> >  > language support in Fedora. So even if we will get translations and all
> >  > other changes done in Fedora by F10 release to support Maithili, users
> >  > will not able to see Maithili language selection in gdm.
> >
> >
> > There is a misconception that bugs should be fixed as soon as they are
> >  submitted.  That's simply not how it is.
>    I don't see this is misconception. I have seen and still working on
> bugs that have been reported years ago. I have never said that bugs
> should be fixed soon.

Then I don't understand how relevant it is that you submitted the patch
last month.

> >  You submitted the Fedora bug in April, without attaching any patch or
> >  anything.
>    I am not fontconfig maintainer/developer so how am I supposed to
> know that what things need to fix bugs. Its responsibility of bug
> person to whom bug got assigned to ask reporter for patch.

Sure, and the maintainers/developers fix it whenever they have time to.

> > I upstreamed it early May, the upstream maintainer asked for
> >  a patch on May 24, and released fontconfig 2.6 at the end of May.  If
> >  you have submitted the patch in time, it would have been in latest
> >  fontconfig release and hence in rawhide, but you didn't submit a patch
> >  until July, and now expect it to suddenly appear in rawhide.
>   And then why you not CC'ed me to upstream bug. Does that look good
> to you? When I tried to search whats current status in upstream then
> only I realized that upstream is waiting for me. You should have asked
> me on IRC/mail to submit patch there.
>   The only thing What I really don't like about you is that you never
> replied back to me that you are in need of input. I never said I am
> owner for all issues(say fontconfig)

It's not my job to CC you.  I upstreamed the bug and posted the upstream
link on the Fedora bug.  You were notified of that.  It's your job to
jump on the upstream bug if you care.

> >  I've talked to fontconfig maintainer to try to get a new version out in
> >  August.  *That*'s how it should work.
>   So then where am I comes in picture?. You and upstream is the only
> responsible to decide on issues then I should have not been asked to
> submit patch.

You submitted a patch.  Thanks for that.

> >  >   Can anyone provide inputs on this issue? Otherwise I will move ahead
> >  > and will commit required changes in rawhide and build new package as I
> >  > can see ACLs are open on fontconfig.
> >
> > I wouldn't particularly like that.  Just because it's open doesn't
> >  mean...
>    It should mean anyone can fix issue. If not then make it CLOSED why
> ACLs are open to everyone? Thats is reason I mail first before
> modifying CVS.

My apartment's door is open most of the time too.  It's not because
everyone can come in.

On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 08:08 +0530, Parag N(पराग़) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 8/6/08, Behdad Esfahbod <besfahbo at redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 13:03 +0530, Parag N(पराग़) wrote:
> >
> > > So even if we will get translations and all
> >  > other changes done in Fedora by F10 release to support Maithili, users
> >  > will not able to see Maithili language selection in gdm.
> >
> >
> > Also note that this is not accurate.  If DejaVu Sans has Maithili
> >  support, things should still work.  Also, even if you patch rawhide to
> >  add orth file to fontconfig, not everything works.  Pango for example
> >  needs to regenerate its language tables against the new fontconfig
> >  language database and that does *not* happen with a rebuild of Pango.
> 
>      I think I asked only about gdm language selection issue. If other
> things will not get fixed in time then we will miss support for
> Maithili language.

gdm uses Pango too.

> My only question was that why no update is given
> on downstream or upstream bug?  I should have wait if any update is
> given on fontconfig bug before asking on this issue on mailing list.

In general what I'm trying to say is that, we have time based releases
for a reason.  If a bugfix/feature/etc doesn't make it for F10, no big
deal, there's always F10+1.  It's a bit hard to understand at first, but
you will appreciate it after a couple of times seeing what disasters
rushing things can get you into.


Anyway, back to work.

-- 
behdad
http://behdad.org/
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