[Fedora] Plan Stage 0: Move to Zanata

[Dimitris Glezos]

Noriko, all,

I want to bring this issue up once again. I am quite worried for a
number of things in this migration project:

- The migration project is not approached in a technical way and the
  preparation is all but thorough.  Most specifically, we have not evaluated
  Pootle, which is by far the most popular and well maintained open-source
  L10n platform. We have not reached out to their team to see if they're
  willing to help us with the move.
- We have not compared Zanata with Transifex on a feature-by-feature basis to
  see if there are key features missing and ask whether the Zanata team wants
  to implement them.
- We haven't done any research on what this will cost to Fedora. How is this
  going to affect our developers and translators? What are the success
  metrics?
- We have not really talked to our developers maintaining their software on
  Transifex today to get their feedback on the move. Unless they move
  everything over, and change their integration scripts, this migration will
  fail.
- At which point we'll decide whether to go forward or not?  Finally, we
  haven't even met together as an L10n group with Infrastructure for an IRC
  meeting before going forward.

-d


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Noriko Mizumoto
<noriko at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Hi Dimitris
>
> No, plan atm.
> Other than zanata and translatewiki, no alternate has been named on the MLs
> so far, while I see there are a number of people supporting Zanata.
>
> In terms of resource availability, Zanata team comes up and offers full
> support on this move. There is no allocatable resource for FLP on Inra team
> for a while. I understand it is good, but I can't see any other
> people/resource available for evaluating Pootle or for researching other
> alternatives, unfortunately.
>
> noriko
>
>
>
> (2014年07月23日 01:44), Dimitris Glezos wrote:
>>
>>
>> Noriko, do you plan to also evaluate Pootle or research other
>> alternatives?
>>
>> -d
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Noriko Mizumoto
>> <noriko at fedoraproject.org <mailto:noriko at fedoraproject.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     (This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity may
>>     impact Infra and websites teams.)
>>
>>     Hi all translators,
>>
>>     With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had first
>> meetup
>>     with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share the
>> news
>>     I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the
>>     following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in parallel
>> as
>>     suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are
>> zanata-users
>>     ML [1] and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited
>>     capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated
>>     than pinging on irc.
>>     I thank you so much to Zanata team!
>>
>>     Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift
>>     Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com
>>     <http://localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com>
>>
>>     Period: 4 weeks
>>     * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
>>     account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any
>>     request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of
>>     the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p
>>     E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
>>
>>     Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org <http://fedora.zanata.org>
>>
>>     (FAS only instance)
>>     Available at: TBA
>>     Period: n/a
>>     * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported.
>> First
>>     every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your
>>     team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve
>> other
>>     translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
>>
>>     Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested
>>     Available at: TBA
>>     Period: n/a
>>     * History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator credit per
>>     msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be
>>     migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of history
>>     to be imported (or may be given up).
>>
>>     [1]:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Zanata
>>
>>     cheers
>>
>>     noriko
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>>
>> --
>> Dimitris Glezos
>> Founder & CEO, Transifex
>> https://www.transifex.com/
>
>



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Dimitris Glezos
Founder & CEO, Transifex
http://www.transifex.com/