[irc-support-sig] #56: op identification and line length faq item

[irc-support-sig]

#56: op identification and line length faq item
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Reporter:  duffy     |       Owner:           
    Type:  feedback  |      Status:  new      
Priority:  minor     |   Milestone:  Fedora 15
 Version:            |    Severity:  Negative 
Keywords:            |  
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 My IRC nick is: mizmo

 Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this
 ticket:

 in #fedora
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 <pitchfork> it's the 64bit flash i think
 <lamah> pitchfork: re, nothing again
 <lamah> pitchfork: su: warning: cannot change directory to /home/lamah:
 Permission denied
 * mwharris has quit (Quit: leaving)
 <lamah> .bash_profile: Permission denied
 <pitchfork> lamah· ausearch -m avc -ts today | fpaste
 <lamah> and for everything
 <lamah> in /home
 <pitchfork> stop typing like that
 <pitchfork> i won't say it again, i'll just stop responding.
 <RSpliet> Eil: thank you, this kind of confirms my worries... since Fedora
 15 the CPU doesn't automatically scale any more
 <Sysi> enter is not punctuation
 <RSpliet> governor "defaults" to userspace
 <lamah> http://fpaste.org/6co6/

 /privmsg pitchfork:
 ===================
 <mizmo> hey if you've got concerns with someone's style of typing, it's
 probably better to take it up with them one-on-one rather than to the
 whole channel
 <pitchfork> Auto-Response: Hello, I do not respond to unsolicited private
 messages/notices/invites please get my attention in the channel.

 back in #fedora:
 ================

 <mizmo> pitchfork, complaints about a particular person's IRC style are
 probably better in privmsg
 <molossus> su -c 'tail -30  /var/log/messages | fpaste'  this worked,
 thanks guys
 <pitchfork> no, they're not.
 <pitchfork> everyone should see that's unacceptable
 <mizmo> has nothing to do wtih fedora and is distracting
 <dcr226> lamah, *hint* you piped it last time to fpaste
 <RSpliet> Eil: it "used to work" on Fedora 14 :)
 <pitchfork> this
 <pitchfork> is
 <lamah> dcr226: i am confuse
 <pitchfork> distracting
 * Ou42 falls to floor laughing and crying
 <mizmo> pitchfork, if you are concerned about folks following an
 acceptable etiquette guide, posting a general link to the guide is better
 than singling someone out
 <RSpliet> I set the governor to ondemand, see what happens now
 <dcr226> lamah, ausearch -ts today -m avc | audit2why
 <dcr226> and read the result lamah
 <lamah> thank
 <lamah> :(
 <Eil> I find all of this complaining unacceptable and plan to file a
 complaint
 <lamah> :)
 <Ou42> "It looks like that this distribution is unsupported"
 <pitchfork> mizmo· feel free to /ignore me
 <Sysi> mizmo: nice paradox you have there
 <jbroome> Eil: my counter complaint is forthcoming
 <mizmo> Sysi, i tried to privmsg pitchfork, he doesn't accept unsolicited
 privmsgs sadly
 * You have been invited to #slackhappy by mathezula (card.freenode.net)
 * nirik rolls eyes. Shall we get back to fedora?

 [...]

 <dcr226> lamah, the output should give you a bunch of suggestions on how
 to fix....you seeing it yet?
 <lamah> audit
 <RSpliet> nirik: I never changed that particular setting :)
 <lamah> yes
 <lamah> 2why
 <RSpliet> and it was set to userspace
 <fedbot> Please visit our trac instance at https://fedorahosted.org/irc-
 support-sig/ and file a feedback ticket telling us about your experience
 in #fedora. Thanks in advance for your feedback.
 * adamw has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 * steve555 (~steve at cpc1-perr10-0-0-cust346.perr.cable.virginmedia.com) has
 joined #fedora
 <dcr226> lamah, keep typing for the maximum amount of time your hand will
 let you before letting pinkie hit <enter> ;-)
 * Sonar_Guy has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 <pitchfork> dcr226· please tell him in private message! it's embarrassing!
 <lamah> i am 200x300 resolutuin, sorry, and a tons of work his day
 <nirik> pitchfork: knock it off please?
 <dcr226> lamah, on a mobile?
 <Sysi> you know, you can seriously break system with too eager enter-
 finger, if you type rm -rf /home/user/somefile and you miss part of the
 path
 * c_korn has quit (Quit: Software you want www.getdeb.net)
 <pitchfork> nirik· can i request you please add my to the bots perm ban
 list?
 <nirik> pitchfork: add what?
 <pitchfork> by "perm" i mean, never to be lifted under any circumstances.
 * nirik tries to parse
 <pitchfork> s/my/me
 * fcuk112 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 * Abu-3dnan (~Sameer at 109.253.85.206) has joined #fedora
 <nirik> you wish to be banned from the channel?
 <nirik> why not adjust your client to not join this channel instead?
 <Ou42> nirik: because liveusb-creator can't do persistence i gave live-
 usb-install a shot, but it can only handle persistence for ubuntu and
 debian. :(
 <pitchfork> but then you'd miss out on the fun..
 * streeter has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 <Eil> oh man, I missed IRC
 <Sysi> i didn't miss offtopic
 * nirik only finds it sad personally.
 * streeter (~streeter at nat/redhat/x-wackmwhjljkaieot) has joined #fedora
 <nirik> Ou42: so, do you get any errors?
 * irn has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
 <pitchfork> clearly lamah is communicating correctly and needs no course
 correction from me or anyone else.
 <dcr226> lamah, yeah, so what you do is pipe ausearch to audit2allow to
 create a module
 <Abu-3dnan> I'm using Conky on Fedora 15 every thing works fine but conky
 can't read my network speed I'm using (downspeedgraph eth0 ) in .conkyrc
 file but even if I used em1 instead of eth0 it doesnt work, any advice?
 <Ou42> dcr226: that's what i've done in the past, but i can't find info
 that tells me it'll fit... 4gb usb keydrive.  would like to install
 houdini on it ( 700 mb )
 <lamah> pitchfork: sorry i am trying to type in this small build in
 monitor
 * molossus has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 <Ou42> dcr226: also, i'd lose the ability to plug it into any pc, right (
 that's what sold me...)  alas it was but a dream. :p
 <lamah> nirik: sorry yes do not sad for some machine, meet is imporant
 with fedora friends and people, have a good meet
 * avandever (~avandever at 66.220.144.74) has joined #fedora
 <lamah> dcr226: yes

 Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction:
 lamah
 pitchfork

 Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on
 this feedback:

 It's very difficult to figure out who is in charge and who isn't, as it
 appeared the present ops didn't get their ops from chanserv so it's not
 really obvious to an outsider who's in charge.

 pitchfork was speaking authoritatively on a technical support issue, and
 then out of nowhere started (unnecessarily imho) rudely refusing to talk
 to the person he was helping unless they changed their style of typing.

 any kind of quiet discussion was prevented by his block on private
 messages. and in the end it turns out lamah was typing short length
 messages because of a situation with his monitor.

 some suggestions:

 - it would be good if ops were oped so it was clear whether or not
 pitchfork was an op.

 - i don't see any rules against having shorter messages in the channel. if
 this is an important matter of etiquette then it should be added to the
 FAQ

 - there is a rule against flaming, it should be enforced
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Channel_FAQ#Avoid_Flaming

 - ops should accept privmsgs (not saying they don't, just something to
 think about)

 Any additional notes or logs:

 Thanks for your feedback!

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Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/56>
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