-vanilla builds.

[Thorsten Leemhuis]

On 30.08.2007 07:03, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 06:52:41AM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
>  > On 29.08.2007 21:05, Dave Jones wrote:
>  > > I'd like to move forward on us getting vanilla builds out for testers.
>  > 
>  > I'm willing to help here if there is anything I can do.
>  > 
>  > > There are a couple things worth thinking about, which I'd like other
>  > > peoples thoughts on.
>  > > 
>  > > * The location of the binaries - I think we ended up settling
>  > >   on putting them on people.fedoraproject.org.
>  > 
>  > My vote is still to ship them in the proper repos -- an idea lot of
>  > people liked in last weeks discussion here. But people feared the space
>  > requirements. But that's a problem on p.f.o as well afaics.
> 
> Nearly everyone else I've talked to about this seems to be
> against that idea for whatever reasons.

Hallway conversations :-/ I understand that it makes things easier
often, but please share what you discussed and especially the outcome
(like you did with that sentence above) with the public, so outside
contributors don't feel like second class contributors whos opinion
doesn't count.

>  > > * how/where to building them.
>  > >   AFAIK, it isn't possible to pass switches like --with-vanilla
>  > >   to koji, so the two options are..
>  > >   - build vanilla as part of the regular build
>  > >     (not a great idea, it already takes hours to build
>  > >      a complete set of kernels).
>  > 
>  > How about a different package kernel-vanilla in CVS that can be build
>  > independently of the normal build?
> 
> This means committing rebases to >1 place, which sounds like losing.
> It doesn't really bring any advantages either afaics.

Yeah, you have a point.

>  > > [...]
>  > > * dependancies.
>  > >   This is the only remaining technical puzzle I think.
>  > >   I'd like the vanilla rpms to install on FC6, F7, and rawhide.
>  > >   Doing separate builds per distro is just going to kill me.
>  > 
>  > But often needed, as people otherwise often can't build kernel modules
>  > theirselfs, as GCC doesn't match (it does currently iirc, but often
>  > there are different major versions of gcc in the different distros.
> 
> 3rd party modules for kernel-vanilla brings up an interesting question.
> For bugs found in kernel-vanilla, I want *everything* to go to
> linux-kernel or bugzilla.kernel.org. 

+1

>  If reports there contain
> any out-of-tree modules, they'll get closed out no questions asked.
> AFAIAC, 3rd party modules are even less supportable on -vanilla
> than they are on the regular fedora kernel.
>
> For the minority that can't live without 3rd party modules, they
> can build their own kernels, because building a full set of kernels
> for each distro is time consuming enough that I only want to do
> this once.

I think you are making your life to easy here.

CU
knurd