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Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
> Hold it, hold it, hold it.
> 
> Responses inline.
> 
> On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Jane Dogalt wrote:
> 
>> Chitlesh,
>>
>> And I suspect from a 'legal' point of view, basically anything that goes
>> any distance beyond changing the package selection from purely within
>> the core and extras repository.  Because the instant you do anything
>> complicated like adding your own package that hasn't vetted the
>> core/extras quality control inclusion process, you are releasing a piece
>> of software whose quality will reflect on the fedora name, due to
>> implicit association.  Certainly if (a) default fedora boot/background
>> logos/images/trademarks are left in place.  And even to a lesser extent,
>> if the fedora-logos and anaconda images packages are left in place (am I
>> missing anything?). ***
> 
> We're not the least bit worried about implicit association.  Not at all.  
> It's free software.  The only thing we're worried about is *explicit* 
> association.  That's why we protect the marks themselves so rigorously.
>

 From an end user perspective, I'd like to see a final word on the 
Kadischi project stating that kadischi users can make isos and keep 
Fedora logos and trademarks intact...even when we include our 
proprietary kernel drivers and software.

We put our own software and drivers under /usr on the DVDs and your 
logos are plainly visible. In the past we have been proud to say we use 
Fedora for development and release. A lot of people have tried Fedora 
after seeing our demos. Does Fedora treat a bootable hard drive image 
and a bootable iso differently?

When are you going to enforce on hard drives? I have the NVIDIA driver 
and the euro MP3 package added to my home machine...as well as a bunch 
of proprietary. Do I have to remove all your logos from my hard drive 
install? Why is the iso so different? Are you planning to use DRM to 
insure only core/extras are installed if logos and trademarks are present?

My brother uses RHEL and proprietary cards, drivers, and software in his 
lab. RH helped the vendor a few times. No one has asked them to remove 
all RH logos and trademarks. Is Fedora being held to a different 
standard than RHEL because it's free?

In the future, will I even be able to develop with Fedora? Maybe a core 
dump will show up in my home directory, or a segfault in the debugger. 
Does that reflect negatively on the Fedora Project? Who about 
misspellings in a OO document? Or an errant macro in the spreadsheet? 
Bad SQL in postgres?

MS, SGI, Sun have never asked us to remove their logos and trademarks. 
We legally distribute hard drive installs of their OS and our software, 
on disk packs, without any complaint, ever, from any of them.

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John