Colin is the man (RE: EtherPad)
DJ Gallagher
daniel.j.gallagher at gmail.com
Thu Aug 19 15:05:19 UTC 2010
Looks like we're off to a great start - thanks for bringing this a step
closer to being a real thing!
It does suck that we won't have The Mel on our side, and I agree we need to
find some more language experts. Armed with dates for the event, I can try
my hand again at poaching some developers. And remember, serious JavaScript
programmers may be just as useful as Java programmers, since a decent chunk
of the app is server-side JS. We'll want a mixture of programmers and
packaging/deployment people. And polyglots in general--people who can parse
unfamiliar languages, since I doubt we're going to meet our quota on people
that know Scala.
I wouldn't worry so much about lunch at Masala Art. Either we announce it as
pay-your-own-way, and make exceptions for the people who've flown or train'd
in for the event; or we can look for someplace cheaper to go; or we can
order in from someplace cheaper, using the magic of foodler.com. You can
feel free to lean on the expertise of alumni in this regard - we are a font
of knowledge for things to do in metro-west.
-DJ (Olin '07)
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> 1. Etherpad FAD Update -- 90% (Colin Zwiebel)
> 2. Etherpad FAD Update -- Need your input (Colin Zwiebel)
> 3. Re: Etherpad FAD Update -- 90% (Jon Stanley)
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> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:04:48 -0600
> From: Colin Zwiebel <colin at zonion.org>
> Subject: Etherpad FAD Update -- 90%
> To: Andrew Pethan <Andrew.Pethan at students.olin.edu>, Colin Zwiebel
> <colin at zonion.org>, Sebastian Dziallas <sebastian at sdziallas.com>,
> Mel
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> Okay folks,
> So, I'm no longer in rural Canada cutting down trees, so I can do some FAD
> planning. And we need it.
>
> Schzamm. I basically just went through and got 90% of the planning done.
> Cool, eh? Here is an update of (most) everything.
>
> 1. You won't recognize this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Etherpad_FAD
>
> 2. This is new: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Etherpad_FAD
>
> 3. This email (read it)
>
>
> == Meeting our Audience ==
> This FAD has gotten pretty technical. This is fine, but I would still like
> to accomidate new-comers. My solution, a couple "Educational Breaks," which
> I
> plan to advertise heavily to Oliners. Each is about 1 hour long. I'll round
> up "new-comers," drag hackers off their computers, and lead a guided Q&A
> session with one or more of the "hackers." (See the schedule on the
> wiki<https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Etherpad_FAD#Schedule>
> ).
>
> For the first, I plan to grab Sebastian or another Fedora dev (assuming we
> have one) and talk about OSS development, the kernel, why all these
> companies (Red Hat, IBM, Novell, etc) would want to build something they
> give away. Tell people how to get involved. Let the "new-comers" guide.
>
> For the second I plan to grab DJ or someone to talk about the technologies
> behind EP. Maybe go over architecture. Ohh, how about a "best practices and
> where EtherPad fails" discussion. Again, keeping it at a level where
> average
> CS student can understand.
>
> My hope is some "new-comers" will stay after each of these talks. You know,
> learning via osmosis.
>
>
>
> == Euro TeleHackathon ==
> Just got an very exciting message from Joe Cornelli:
>
> Joe Corneli Aug 17 11:19PM +0100 ^ <#12a8540faed40794_digest_top>
>
> Just to confirm, this matches my holiday schedule
> (actually Oct. 2nd THROUGH the 10th). Now I hope we
> can get redhog online down to the UK for a visit. ::)))
>
> I'm not sure what the EST-5 hour time difference will
> do to the crack-of-dawnathon part of the programme;
> anyone in East Asia on the list?
>
> I'm going to have him set the schedule for the pre-FAD so we can do it
> along-side the Euro folks.
>
> Joe has some really grand visions for web notetaking with Etherpad
> next-generation:
> http://hyperreal-enterprises.posterous.com/?sort=&search=gravpad
>
>
>
> == Event Facilities ==
> Requested a room and got an email from Stephanie. Meeting status changed to
> "scheduled." Yay! Pasted at the end of this message.
>
> [] Status: Done.
>
>
>
> == Arrange Refreshments ==
> Andy: you mind driving and picking up soda cups a few days before the
> event.
> I'll request ice from Dining Service the week of the FAD. I can also borrow
> my suites electric thermo-pot for tea.
>
> [] Status: Set.
>
>
>
> == Social Event ==
> Again, I think we're good, just need Mel to advise on feasibility. I was
> planning on taking the crowd to Masala Art in Needham for lunch buffet.
> We'll just grab a few attendees, give people the option to bike, and be
> done
> with it.
>
> I actually come up blank when trying to come up with other options. We
> could
> enjoy Olin's surroundings (woods, Wellesley trail system, Needham).
> ''Maybe'' head into Boston (it would take us a good deal of time because of
> Olin's location).
>
> [] Status: Set, minus input.
>
>
>
> == List Resources ==
> This event doesn't need many resources, luckily. We aren't using any
> hardware toys. Attendees bring their computers and thats pretty much the
> end
> of the story. Few things:
> * Tables and Chairs: CC209 has them
> * Projector: CC209 has one
> * Digital Cameras: Attendees will bring
> * Video Camera: Colin will borrow one from IT
> * Fedora Infrastructure for EtherPad installation
>
>
>
> == Remaining to be Done ==
> * Start conversation with Fedora Infastructure about EP setup
> * How do we get EtherPad up and running for Fedora?
> * Invite "heavy hitters"
> * Send to some Fedora lists
> * Get the budget approved
>
>
> Colin
>
>
> == Appendix ==
>
> === Event Facilities ===
> *Notes:
> * Can we get some really nice, open air rooms? Maybe.
> * MH might be available
> * Still, are the faculty rooms really that much better than CC?
> * Maybe too much time for one room.
> * How about up in the 4th floor of the AC?
> * Too far away for average Olin student
> * Just reserve the CC and if you want a different room, figure out
> later
> * Reserved CC209
>
>
> *Room reservation:
>
> *Event Meeting Changed*
> *Customer * Olin College Students *Reservation * 20100817-010 Olin
> Way Event Type :Student Group-Conference/Event Needham, MA 02492-1200
> >From :10/8/2010
> 5:00 PM
> To :10/10/20109:00 AM Event Status : ScheduledAccount Number :
>
> MeetingsQuantity Unit CostTotal Cost*EtherPad Fedora Activity Day - Friday,
> October 08th, 2010 5:00 PM to Sunday, October 10th, 2010 9:00 AM in CC,
> 209*
> Room Charge 1 0.00 0.00Notes : Room Setup Notes :
>
> Room Teardown Notes :
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> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:06:13 -0600
> From: Colin Zwiebel <colin at zonion.org>
> Subject: Etherpad FAD Update -- Need your input
> To: Andrew Pethan <Andrew.Pethan at students.olin.edu>, Colin Zwiebel
> <colin at zonion.org>, Sebastian Dziallas <sebastian at sdziallas.com>,
> Mel
> Chua <mel at melchua.com>, Jeff Mitchell <mitchell at kde.org>,
> "[logistics]@fedoraproject" <logistics at lists.fedoraproject.org>
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> The action Email:
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> I need your help!
>
> == People ==
> No Mel ( =[ ) will miss here.
>
> We need some "heavy hitters" in Java build systems, packaging... most
> anything listed
>
> How do I/we get these people?
> (A: I'm going to email alumni, but thats no the only solution)
>
> Pick off people individually?
>
> Certain mailing lists I should go for?
>
>
> I'm partially concerned because of:
>
> == Cost Concerns ==
> For the FAD, I'm planning on an outing to Masala Art. I've budgeted it in,
> but at $14/person its a bit hefty. For attendees who have real
> Java/Scala/build system/packaging chops, getting them a delicous brunch at
> Masala Art is the least we can do for them. Buuut, for the random Oliner
> who
> stops by and listens to a talk, I don't think paying for Masala Art Brunch
> is a good use of Fedora/Red Hat funds.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> So, I would like to get knowledgeable "heavy hitters" as "registered
> attendees." I'm actually a little concerned sending out registration
> invites
> to Oliners ATM because I don't want people to come just for the $14 brunch.
>
> Actually I'm concerned for the same reason with Fedora mailing lists. Buuut
> I don't expect area locals to bother driving to Needham just for $14
> brunch,
> so probably less of a concern.
>
> Again, thoughts?
> Is this honest?
> Should I remove brunch from the wiki?
> Should I mark brunch as a "for serious devs only"? (this certainly seems
> unfair).
>
>
>
>
>
> Colin
>
> P.S.
> Eff, just found out that all my previous messages to logistics bounced
> (no-member) and they've been filtering away.
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> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:22:31 -0400
> From: Jon Stanley <jonstanley at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Etherpad FAD Update -- 90%
> To: logistics at lists.fedoraproject.org
> Cc: Andrew Pethan <Andrew.Pethan at students.olin.edu>, Mel Chua
> <mel at melchua.com>, Sebastian Dziallas <sebastian at sdziallas.com>,
> Jeff
> Mitchell <mitchell at kde.org>
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> 2010/8/18 Colin Zwiebel <colin at zonion.org>
>
> >
> > Okay folks,
> > So, I'm no longer in rural Canada cutting down trees, so I can do some
> FAD planning. And we need it.
> >
> > Schzamm. I basically just went through and got 90% of the planning done.
> Cool, eh? Here is an update of (most) everything.
>
> Completely awesome. From the Infrastructure side, this is the first
> time that I've heard about this (which isn't necessarily a bad thing -
> I may have missed it in the flow, that's entirely possible). Anyhow,
> I'm three things that you can use (I think):
>
> 1) sysadmin-main :)
> 2) Somewhat local (NYC - a quick Amtrak ride away from Boston, and
> MBTA out to Needham from there)
> 3) Experience with FAD's
>
> What I would need from you is budget to get me there, a hotel room,
> and that's about it :)
>
> Note that I don't have much experience with Java as a programming
> language, however, from a former life I do have experience deploying
> Java apps.
>
> I'm somewhat limited in my availability outside of evenings/weekends -
> I do have a rather demanding $DAYJOB, and can't get on IRC (or gmail)
> from work at any rate generally. But if you send mail, bug me on IRC
> (jds2001), or send carrier pigeons, I'll generally respond in some
> reasonable amount of time. :)
>
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