Fedora v. Fedora (was Re: Attention, Interest, Decision, Action)

Sam Hiser shiser at cloud9.net
Wed Jun 29 23:15:47 UTC 2005

I'm kinda new here, and this is an interesting conversation about
fundamentals...which is important to agree on.

What does 'Fedora' mean?  All the up-stream Red Hat-related development
activities based in "the community," maybe?


On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 16:01 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 18:44 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005, Karsten Wade wrote:
> > 
> > > This confusion is happening in this thread, not made any easier because
> > > everyone keeps asking what "Fedora" means.  It doesn't mean anything, it
> > > means several things, and what can we do about that?
> > 
> > Fortunately, we're not alone in this quandary.  We need only look as far 
> > as the Apache Software Foundation and ask, "what did they do about this?"
> > 
> > Well, for starters, they came up with identifiable names for all of their
> > projects.  HTTP Server.  Ant.  Tomcat.  Cocoon.  Maven.  NOT: "The Apache
> > Web Server Project" and "The Apache Java Build Tool Project"  and "The
> > Apache Java Servlet Engine Project" and so forth.  And when you talk about
> > the Apache Software Foundation, you talk about "the ASF", not "Apache".  
> > I wonder if we could take a lesson from that.
> Certainly could.  /me ponders what to call the documentation project
> We get our current practices somewhat from Red Hat branding habits.
> It's the branding debate of "Porsche 911" v. "Ford family of
> automobiles."  Red Hat is firmly in the Porsche camp.
> Still, projects gain some visibility and credentials by having the
> Fedora word as part of the name.  There are many Apache projects I
> wouldn't know are Apache related until I see the project URL.  I don't
> know if this is good or not.
> One good thing would be the dropping of all these extra TLAs.
> > It's a bit more complicated than that, of course, but the further we go 
> > down this path, the more it becomes clear to me.  I will make the 
> > following statement, and I will make it in an absolutist way, and ask 
> > people to agree, or not:
> > 
> >   The goal of the Fedora Marketing Project is NOT to "market Fedora" as 
> >   an entity.  The goal, rather, IS to explain, promote and recruit for 
> >   individual Fedora projects.
> +1 for the IS part
> The first part leans on an unexplained definition of "marketing".
> AIUI, the point is, stop thinking of Fedora as a singularity and start
> thinking of it as a multilarity.  Or just plain hilarity.
> - Karsten
>   (yes, I know it is "multiplicity", but then the joke doesn't work)
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