Marketing ideas -- I have to strongly _disagree_ with 99% of this ...

[Jasper O'neal Hartline]

Tejas Dinkar wrote:

>I use linux at home, as do most of our ambassadors, and most of us have
>little or no commercial interest in it at all.
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As an ambassador it should be in your interest to be interested in Linux 
anywhere.
In the field, office or home.I think he means between cores.

>I think he means between cores.
>Upgrading FC4->FC5 is miserable, when just core packages are used. Throw
>in 3rd party apps, code build from source (on a devel box), and that is
>enough to b0rk pretty bad.
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This isn't true at all.
I think you are confusing YUM upgrading between cores not upgrading with 
Anaconda.

>>>Previously installed drives with personal user data needs to be able
>>>to be retained without fail from upgrade to upgrade if the user isn't
>>>doing a clean install.
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>>Okay, you've got to be _kidding_me_ here!  _All_ UNIX systems have "home
>>directories."  It is 100% _absolute_ and _all_ programs save config
>>files and data to it!
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>Anyone who has used UNIX before knows that you should mount /home on
>it's own partition. I'm not sure if the FC installer does this (never
>auto partitioned), but this will let you keep everything between
>upgrades, down to your wallpaper.
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It does, it even allows you to type in what partitions you want.
/home, /var, /etc, /usr /tmp and of course my favorite, /pub 8-)

>>>Now say a "ambassador" from Fedora can start making the rounds to Dell
>>>and other companies and attempt to get them to start offering this
>>>FREE Linux distribution on some of their PC models, which would also
>>>allow for lower prices on the retail side for them (ie Dell, Gateway
>>>etc.) as the OS is FREE and that cuts down on cost which the end user
>>>ends up incurring.
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>>*BUZZ* WRONG!  THANK YOU FOR PLAYING!
>>Have you ever heard the Microsoft term, "per-model licensing"?
>>Please, _please_ read up on this.
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>This is one of those lose-lose situations.
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>When windows is on, we are forced to pay extra for the software.
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>When there is no os on, then that is a ground of promoting piracy.
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>If we FORCE linux/fedora on it, then it is as bad as having windows, as
>it simply is against freedom.
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>But, that being said, it is in the project's interest to request Dell to
>put fedora on their boxes. On the other hand, Dell already KNOW linux is
>free, you aren't telling them ANYTHING new.
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Companies already ship Linux on thier PCs. A friend of mine who works at 
Best Buy
has had several people come in and request Linux be put on a new PC they 
are buying
and guess what.. that's right.. what the customer wants is what the 
customer gets.

I have a magazine sitting right here if you want me to give you phone 
numbers and purchasing
information on these vendors.

>>Yes, I agree the home user is bombarded by software written largely by
>>incompetent, oursourced or H1B Visa Indian, Irish and Israeli
>>programmers who have had virtually _little_ (if any) exposure to any
>>formal software development or engineering processes, let alone don't
>>care about the software they write like the passion of open source.
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>Excuse me?
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>This is not only terribly rude and offensive, it is also innacurate.
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>Perhaps, you should look up some indian open source Contributors.
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>>From Sirtaj, one of the founding members of KDE,
>Rahul, here on the Fedora Board,
>The founder of Anjuta (which is named after his wife)
>Shreyas S (gnome developer, ex maintainer of evo for mac until his mac
>was pried from his hands)
>Satish (writes a hell of a lot of kernel modules, and heads the Red Hat
>bangalore offices)
>Sankarshan
>Runa B
>Gopal Vijayraghavan, Lead developer of dotgnu,
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>and I could go on for a while
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>This comment is simply racist.
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You must have lived a very sheltered childhood.
I too come from a military background, in fact my uncle is a retired 
Marine Captain
and is now working as a civilian at the Pentagon. My Grandfather and 
Mother both
are retired military, my Grandfather being a veteran of Vietnam.

It may have been off-key, but racist??

Read what he wrote:

incompetent, oursourced or H1B Visa Indian, Irish and Israeli
programmers who have had virtually _little_ (if any) exposure to any
formal software development or engineering processes



I didn't hear him say Gook, Spic or Slope. Did you?
Seriously.

J. Hartline