[Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora usability : a new project?

[Damien Durand]

Please, migrate your discussions about Fedora Usability on the
Fedora-Desktop-List

Thanks in advance

Damien

2006/8/9, Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com>:
>
> On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 18:31 +0530, Rahul wrote:
> > > It's possible that you're missing the point of this particular
> > > discussion.  It wasn't that I don't understand the potential goals of
> a
> > > Usability initiative (I do), nor that I don't understand a need for it
> > > (I do), nor that I didn't understand Nicolas' comments (I did).  The
> > > entire problem -- and you will see the threads on
> fedora-advisory-board
> > > to this effect -- is that announcements are being made about
> "official"
> > > Feodra projects without any prior discussion about those needs,
> setting
> > > concrete goals and objectives, and so forth.  I came back with some
> > > comments intended to raise issues about possible duplication of effort
> > > and get people talking about it.  I don't mind being wrong, but the
> > > discussion needs to take place.
> >
> > Sure. We definitely did expect discussions to take place. Wider set of
> > announcements depend on fedora-announce list mails being moderated and
> > we need to make sure we dont end up announcing things without the right
> > ideas in place. When a new sub project is being announced, it gets a lot
> > of attention and we would do better to explain things properly and give
> > plenty of room for potential contributors to work their magic.
>
> Yes, and part of that magic includes having answers to the real
> questions, such as "What measurable objectives can you reach?"  We're in
> agreement here, I'm pretty sure.
>
> > > My final comment was intended to point out that I hadn't seen any of
> > > this discussion, although there was a possibility they were being held
> > > somewhere that I hadn't seen them.  Those should be community
> > > discussions like RFCs where interested parties can hash them out
> before
> > > bringing them to the proper venue for backing.
> > >
> > > I haven't missed your comments in board meetings, but they don't
> > > constitute public discussion either, AFAICT.
> >
> > They arent public discussions as such but I wasnt expressing a
> > fundamentally new idea. See the problem is not that we dont know the
> > issues involved but that our priorities have been elsewhere and arguably
> > misaligned but unless there is more people going to contribute and fix
> > the issues announcing a new project isnt going to change things. The
> > immediate reactions I see to a new project discussion involve is people
> > listing their favorite alleged issues and that wont get us very far.
>
> Also agreed.  Again, discussion before announcement is the key.  No one
> should be hesitant to bring out new ideas, but as you say, it has to be
> more than saying, "We're going to solve this with a new project," or
> simply listing complaints (valid sa they might be).  Having a set of
> goals, objectives, and methodologies is key.  I would say the
> methodologies part is incredibly important when you talk about issues as
> potentially divisive as usability.  Without clear unbiased standards and
> methodologies that can pretty much dissolve into a lot of disagreement
> over trivial details.
>
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