[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Slashdot interview with Fedora Project leader Max Spevack

Rahul sundaram at fedoraproject.org
Tue Aug 22 04:16:29 UTC 2006

Nicola Losito wrote:

> When you install and run Ubuntu you got enabled a bunch of features that 
> doesn't make feel the user on his own (Gnome sounds enabled, when i'm 
> supposed to enter the sudo password the screen goes dark leaving only 
> the appropriate window "illuminated" and some other fancier - yes, 
> useless, but fancier things).

So boils down to eye candy basically.

>> The implementation of fast user switching has problems with multi user 
>> terminals so its hidden by default in the menu. You can of course 
>> enable it yourself if the problems dont affect your usage.
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=175178
> I already had an answer some time ago with this topic, but haven't go 
> the time to read more and then try to make it work for myself. My point 
> is that the other distro i enjoy "testing" have it and reading the 
> answer "it's in bugzilla since $date" doesn't make nice impression. 
> It's clear that's a minor "bug", but i can see many people with always 
> on internet connection leaving their session opened, locking their 
> session when they're not at home and leaving a login screen available to 
> parents for a second graphical use of the machine. Comfortable feature, 
> if you think.

Its not really a minor bug. If you have multiple users working on a 
console, how does device permissions get set that one user doesnt lock 
the other?

> Sometimes seems so .... have you ever tried using yum, with 3rd parties 
> repos enabled, on a 56k pay-per-time line ? ?
> Back when i was one of those FC seemed to me a distro for privileged 
> aliens with fast/flat connections.

Why would I? I dont use third party repositories. If I need to work on 
dialups, there is a way to configure yum to use local repositories or 
media and Fedora might not be the right choice for me at that point.

> Here i could make a mistake but:
> - http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
> it's clear in the division of what's "ubuntu" or "canonical" and what's 
> not and also ...

It is pretty simple for Fedora and it is documented in Fedora wiki 
pages. Fedora Core is maintained by Red Hat and Fedora Extras, Fedora 
Legacy is community maintained.

> 3rd party repo are natural in our free software world, everyone has 
> different needs and preferences. 
> What i find "insane" {meaning not healthy, not referring to the crazy 
> meaning} is the actual separation in Extras (which thanks to God and all 
> the good people out there is growing each and every day in package 
> number) and then the "Two Towers" of Livna "vs" dag-dries-freshrpms 
> world and the experiences coming from a partial use of them or worst an 
> "enabled=1" of all of them.

All of these references are about third party repositories. Fedora 
Project has absolutely no say on what goes on with them. The formal 
repositories are both enabled by default, Anaconda would support them 
both during installation from FC6 onwards and they follow the same 
packaging guidelines etc. The differences are in the way there are 
internally organized which doesnt affect the end user at all.

> Fedora Project should speak loud on this inconsistency (for the record i 
> have 14 different repositories in my yum.repos.d, some enabled some not, 
> and i do not think it's easy to get the reason of this to the "non 
> introduced").

There is no inconsistency at the project level and we cant control third 
party repositories.  There are contributors from kde-redhat, freshrpms, 
atrpms,newrpms and other repositories working in Fedora Extras to . Dag 
doesnt seem to host Fedora repositories anymore. Nrpms closed down 
citing the increasing community participating in Fedora Extras. 
Rpmforge has announced compatibility with Fedora Core and Fedora Extras. 
Things are getting better but if you want to install random repositories 
that's really your choice.


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