[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 28, Issue 2

Sreenivas S. sreenivas_s at yahoo.com
Tue Oct 3 19:09:54 UTC 2006


Hi every one,

Before I put forward my opinion I have to introduce my self. My name is Sreenivas. I live in Hyderabad, India. I signed up in Ambassador list hoping I'd start my contributions with shipping Fedora core media.

My two cents about MP3, as Sam suggested it seems to be a good idea  to pop-up a window and tell the user why MP3 is not supported. It will be useful to point to help on how MP3 files can be converted to other supported formats in Fedora and any advantages, etc..

Is it possible to offer to convert from MP3 format to ogg  by using some available tools when the user tries to play mp3? I am not knowledgeble about if there are patent issues involved in using MP3 to ogg format conversion.
 
Regards,
Sreenivas.

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Today's Topics:

   1. idea on explaining the mp3 question (Sam Folk-Williams)
   2. Re: idea on explaining the mp3 question (Rahul Sundaram)
   3. Re: idea on explaining the mp3 question (Siddharth Upmanyu)
   4. Re: idea on explaining the mp3 question (Karlie Robinson)
   5. Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? (Karsten Wade)
   6. Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? (Sam Folk-Williams)
   7. Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? (Dimitris Glezos)
   8. Ohio Linux Fest 2006 Summary (Jeffrey Tadlock)
   9. Re: idea on explaining the mp3 question (Nicu Buculei)
  10. Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? (Sam Folk-Williams)
  11. Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? (Rahul Raheja)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:41:16 -0400
From: Sam Folk-Williams <samfw at redhat.com>
Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question
To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base
    <fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com>
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Hi,

I know this is an overly-discussed issue, but since I get so many
questions on it I wanted to run this idea past everyone. 

A common complaint I hear is that people think Fedora is "broken" when
it doesn't play MP3s. This leads to mailing list and forum traffic,
negative word-of-mouth exposure, and needless confusion. 

I think the problem is that when you try to play an MP3 file... nothing
happens at all or you get an ugly codec message -- both of these indeed
seem to indicate something is broken. Why not have a pop up that
explains why Fedora doesn't play MP3s and give a link to the wiki where
it is explained in further detail?

I could file an RFE on this.... I think it would cut down on the
confusion. Has this been previously discussed? Thoughts?

Sam
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:19:55 +0530
From: Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3
    question
To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base
    <fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com>
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Sam Folk-Williams wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I know this is an overly-discussed issue, but since I get so many
> questions on it I wanted to run this idea past everyone. 
> 
> A common complaint I hear is that people think Fedora is "broken" when
> it doesn't play MP3s. This leads to mailing list and forum traffic,
> negative word-of-mouth exposure, and needless confusion. 
> 
> I think the problem is that when you try to play an MP3 file... nothing
> happens at all or you get an ugly codec message -- both of these indeed
> seem to indicate something is broken. Why not have a pop up that
> explains why Fedora doesn't play MP3s and give a link to the wiki where
> it is explained in further detail?

We had a dialog box popup when trying to play MP3 in XMMS in earlier Red 
Hat Linux releases.  That didnt have much of a benefit though for 
whatever reasons. The problem was that we had a number of different 
players and the user experience on some was worse than the others.

> I could file an RFE on this.... I think it would cut down on the
> confusion. Has this been previously discussed? Thoughts?

Now that we have mostly settled down on Rhythmbox by default and 
Gstreamer as the multimedia framework that can be shared across desktop 
environments etc, its easier to do this. You can file a RFE against the 
"distribution" component instead of specific players so we that if we 
implement anything, we do it across the players we provide. Should 
probably look at installing the fluendo plugin after a agreement or 
things like that depending on how far we need to extend support to this.

Rahul



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:15:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Siddharth Upmanyu <siddharth1105 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3
    question
To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base
    <fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com>
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Good Idea...
What the Developers and marketing people think about it?

SiddharthUpmanyu

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Sent: Monday, October 2, 2006 10:11:16 PM
Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question

Hi,

I know this is an overly-discussed issue, but since I get so many
questions on it I wanted to run this idea past everyone. 

A common complaint I hear is that people think Fedora is "broken" when
it doesn't play MP3s. This leads to mailing list and forum traffic,
negative word-of-mouth exposure, and needless confusion. 

I think the problem is that when you try to play an MP3 file... nothing
happens at all or you get an ugly codec message -- both of these indeed
seem to indicate something is broken. Why not have a pop up that
explains why Fedora doesn't play MP3s and give a link to the wiki where
it is explained in further detail?

I could file an RFE on this.... I think it would cut down on the
confusion. Has this been previously discussed? Thoughts?

Sam
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:52:49 +0000
From: Karlie Robinson <karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3
    question
To: Siddharth Upmanyu <siddharth1105 at yahoo.com>,    Discussions on
    expanding the Fedora user base    <fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com>
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I think it's a step in the right direction.

One thing Linux in General needs to stay away from is feeling unfriendly 
and that someone should just know what's going on.

It wouldn't have to be more than a quick simple statement about Why MP3 
support isn't native as long as the link you're sending people to gives 
enough information on the ways they could still use their MP3 collection.

After all, we don't want to loose someone just because they didn't know 
they could convert their MP3s to OGG.

Siddharth Upmanyu wrote:
> Good Idea...
> What the Developers and marketing people think about it?
> 
> SiddharthUpmanyu
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Sam Folk-Williams <samfw at redhat.com>
> To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base <fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 2, 2006 10:11:16 PM
> Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question
> 
> Why not have a pop up that
> explains why Fedora doesn't play MP3s and give a link to the wiki where
> it is explained in further detail?



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:10:00 -0700
From: Karsten Wade <kwade at redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo?
To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base
    <fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com>
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On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 14:12 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Hi Max,
> 
> Max Spevack wrote:
> > So I did some minor changes last night to FedoraMain, the front page of 
> > the wiki.
> > 
> > But I think we need to do a lot more to make it look good.
> 
> So we've had discussions about making the wiki a lot nicer in the past, 
> and some mockups have floated around, but I guess nothing ever came from 
> it because of moinmoin or some other technical limitations?

Two things here:

i. We need to update our Moin Moin instance; we'll get some new layout
features (and problems) when that happens.  Fedora Infrastructure is
accountable here, and they are working on it (big up to mmcgrath).

ii. Switching to using Plone to serve the front page means more control
over the page; Moin Moin is just too limiting.  Problem here is
resources are tight to get the work done; more help is needed to get it
done sooner:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PloneToDo

So, where Max pointed out two target points (by-next-weekend, 2 months),
there are really three points (by-next-weekend, 2 weeks, 2 months).

And, IMHO, 2 months should really be 1 month.  Or even sooner.  But I
don't have volunteers to loan or purse strings to untie.

- Karsten
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:54:30 -0400
From: Sam Folk-Williams <samfw at redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo?
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On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 15:10 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> ii. Switching to using Plone to serve the front page means more
> control
> over the page; Moin Moin is just too limiting.  Problem here is
> resources are tight to get the work done; more help is needed to get
> it
> done sooner:
> 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PloneToDo 

This is stuck. The server needs to be upgraded from RHEL/CENTOS 4 to FC5
to get the new version of Python, which is needed for the new version of
Plone, which is needed for the authentication process to work with our
existing process.

Updating the server is hard because there's a lot of other production
stuff running on the server.

I'm offering to volunteer whatever I can to the plone project, but not
sure how to get it moving.

Sam
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:24:16 +0100
From: Dimitris Glezos <dimitris at glezos.com>
Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo?
To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base
    <fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com>,
    fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com
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(CCing fedora-infrastructure-list)

Sam Folk-Williams wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 15:10 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> > ii. Switching to using Plone to serve the front page means more
> > control
> > over the page; Moin Moin is just too limiting.  Problem here is
> > resources are tight to get the work done; more help is needed to get
> > it
> > done sooner:
> > 
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PloneToDo 
> 
> This is stuck. The server needs to be upgraded from RHEL/CENTOS 4 to FC5
> to get the new version of Python, which is needed for the new version of
> Plone, which is needed for the authentication process to work with our
> existing process.
> 
> Updating the server is hard because there's a lot of other production
> stuff running on the server.

Probably it would be easier if we run it then on a new server then? :)

> I'm offering to volunteer whatever I can to the plone project, but not
> sure how to get it moving.

I'm offering to volunteer to the infrastructure project too (plone, foo)
and participate in IRC meetings & discussions.

-dim



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:55:54 -0400
From: Jeffrey Tadlock <linux at elfshadow.net>
Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Ohio Linux Fest 2006 Summary
To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com,
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The Ohio Linux Fest held this past Saturday, September 30th was a great 
success!  The booth came together very nicely - we had Fedora T-Shirts, 
Stickers, Core 5 DVDs and informational handouts available at the booth. 
  There were three of us primarily working the booth - Joe Connelly and 
Brian Pepple.  Tom "Spot" Callaway was also there, originally to hang 
out with us at the Fedora booth, but ended up working the Red Hat booth 
right next to us - though he was still a great help to us.

The announced crowd was just over 1200 people, between presentations the 
aisles were quite packed.  Our booth saw lots of foot traffic with 
people ranging from new to Linux to having used it since Red Hat 6.x or 
earlier and wondering what Fedora was up to.

Nearly all comments were favorable to Fedora, many people were running 
Fedora in some fashion - either on their own PCs or on servers for 
businesses they worked for.  There were a few recurring questions 
through the day, some of which where:

* Yum is slow was one of the complaints we kept hearing.  It was a 
pleasure to let people know that there was an updated yum in Core 6 that 
was aimed at taking on any speed issues.

* I had several questions regarding the Fedora Directory Server - mainly 
in regards to features it offered.  There certainly seems to be interest 
in this.

* We heard what I thought to be a number of comments alluding to an 
animosity between the Fedora Project and Red Hat.  I am not quite sure 
why that thought is out there.

* There were several questions about who we worked for, etc.  It was 
nice to reply with we were just members of the Fedora Project community 
helping out.  I think it really helped reinforce that there is a lot of 
room for community involvement in the project.

* And of course there were lots of when is Core 6 coming out and what 
new features will be in it.

Later in the afternoon we also had a "Birds of a Feather" session.  Tom 
Callaway was there and was an excellent and knowledgeable speaker and it 
was great to have him there.  Some of the items brought up were Fedora 
and multimedia (mp3's, DVD playback, etc), Xen and virtualization and 
new features and improvements in Core 6.

All in all it was a great show.  Lots of fun for everyone involved I 
think.  I was very happy with how the booth turned out and I think 
Fedora was very well represented there.  I want to thank all the people 
that helped get me the materials and information I needed for this event 
- including Max and David Barzilay.

And last but not least, here are some of the pictures from the show (I 
may be adding more as I receive them from the others):

http://www.elfshadow.net/ohiolinuxfest2006/

--Jeffrey



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:32:44 +0300
From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro>
Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3
    question
To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base
    <fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com>
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Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Sam Folk-Williams wrote:
> We had a dialog box popup when trying to play MP3 in XMMS in earlier Red 
> Hat Linux releases.  That didnt have much of a benefit though for 
> whatever reasons. The problem was that we had a number of different 
> players and the user experience on some was worse than the others.
> 
>> I could file an RFE on this.... I think it would cut down on the
>> confusion. Has this been previously discussed? Thoughts?
> 
> Now that we have mostly settled down on Rhythmbox by default and 
> Gstreamer as the multimedia framework that can be shared across desktop 
> environments etc, its easier to do this. You can file a RFE against the 
> "distribution" component instead of specific players so we that if we 
> implement anything, we do it across the players we provide. Should 
> probably look at installing the fluendo plugin after a agreement or 
> things like that depending on how far we need to extend support to this.

I proposed the same thing back in March but the idea was shot down for 
both technical and political reasons, even if the landscape was the 
same: gstreamer, rhythmbox, totem and fluendo plugin. Nice to see it 
raised again.

-- 
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:48:43 -0400
From: Sam Folk-Williams <samfw at redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo?
To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base
    <fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com>
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On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 00:24 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> Probably it would be easier if we run it then on a new server then? :)

Is this a realistic option? I assume provisioning a new server is not an
easy task in terms of $$, etc. 

Sam
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Global Support Services




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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:53:52 +0530
From: "Rahul Raheja" <rahul.raheja at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo?
To: "Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base"
    <fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com>
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hi..
I agree with SAM .. is it feasible in terms of investment .. ??

On 10/3/06, Sam Folk-Williams <samfw at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 00:24 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> > Probably it would be easier if we run it then on a new server then? :)
>
> Is this a realistic option? I assume provisioning a new server is not an
> easy task in terms of $$, etc.
>
> Sam
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