Fedora and Video Sharing
jwildebo at redhat.com
Sat Apr 10 15:55:37 UTC 2010
Kaltura.com is a good alternative. The rule *should* be to use open
standards whenever possible and convert content to non-free if needed.
The only thing I wanted to pint out is that if s/o wants to remix content,
he should be able to do it with open standards.
So to reiterate - I do *not* oppose usinge youtube, I *do* want to stress
however that "open first" should not be ignored.
So I propose:
- make content *always* available in open standards.
- use youtube etc for distribution when alternatives suck, but *always*
point the viewer to the open standard alternatives (in the description field
I hope you see that I am not a fundamentalist, I am pragmatic but I want to
make sure we do it right.
If we offer no oepn alternatives, THEN you will get the fundamentalist
discussion - and for a good reason IMHO.
Using your arguments in a little bit of exaggerated way would lead for
example to using Adobe Illustrator for artwork, Photoshop for other stuff
and would exclude those that don't have these tools ...
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On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 10:57 -0400, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
> Youtube however uses the H.264 codec which is patent encumbered and only
> viewable on Fedora after installing either (proprietary) Flash or
> not-so-well-licensed codecs from external repos.
> One of the four F's of Fedora is Freedom. Youtube is not adding to
> Its the price you pay for convenience.
What would you suggest for an reliable alternative that can provide:
# user friendliness
# decent connectivity
# a wide audience as youtube?
Up to this point, it's constructive. From this point on, it's a private
view and should be faced as such.
As a personal comment, for a second I saw that "freedom" almost as I see
"despotism". It's because of the availability of proprietary software
for Linux and close standards that I use it (and that makes of it an
alternative to other proprietary OS's), else I would be stuck with
Windows (as FOSS doesn't provide everything for users needs).
I understand that we should promote open standards, but that will
handicap a campaign and will probably not give as much impact as it
would. Even for the artists making it, it's a huge cutdown on their
efforts. Do we really need to be so narrow? can't we actually provide it
both ways and make our official stuff on a non-offending format, but
also make it available on youtube?
"In America, through pressure of conformity, there is "freedom of
choice", but nothing to choose from" - Peter Ustinov.
PS: This comment translates a personal view.
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> As long as the website offers good connectivity worldwide should be ok.
> Youtube should be nice since it has akamai behind also.
> The importance of prime channels of distribution should be a concern,
> and Youtube provides the necessary points for it, either from the
> audience point of view or distribution.
> On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 16:23 -0400, Nicholas Ozorak wrote:
> > Dear Anyone with an interest in video distribution,
> > My name is Nick Ozorak, and I am one of the students from Allegheny
> > College who has just come in to help with the Fedora Project. My
> > particular field of expertise is in video creation and distribution,
> > as I already have my own video-web series. I'm one of five students
> > who's looking into the issue of how videos about Fedora can be
> > distributed online.
> > I saw in the archives that there was recently a discussion about
> > Fedora and where videos showcasing the project should be hosted.
> > Internet Archive was mentioned, as well as Dailymotion. Based off of
> > my experience, both of these websites are decent places to host video,
> > but they don't receive as much traffic as the granddaddy of them all -
> > YouTube. As a consumer, when I am looking for videos regarding
> > technological developments, YouTube is where I go first.
> > I am aware that some people are uncomfortable with relying on YouTube
> > and Flash, but there may be a solution to satisfy everyone. One idea
> > that I have come up with is:
> > * Set up official Fedora Project accounts on websites like Internet
> > Archive and Dailymotion.
> > * Create videos on these accounts to establish them as being
> > officially part of the Fedora Project (welcome videos, tutorials,
> > features of Fedora, etc).
> > * Designate people to be official Fedora Project Video Account Managers.
> > * Allow other video creators and content developers to showcase their
> > Fedora-related work on the official channel(s) by sending their video
> > to the Account Master(s) for consideration. If accepted, these videos
> > would be added to the official channel.
> > * Open a YouTube account, and ask people if they are comfortable with
> > having their work(s) displayed on YouTube and/or other Flash-based
> > websites.
> > I'd be more than happy to discuss this idea in an IRC chat with those
> > who are interested. I would also be curious to find out what results
> > previous discussions about this issue have yielded and get a sense of
> > what people's opinions are.
> > I will also add that I had never heard of Fedora before one of my
> > professors started discussing it in class. Once Mel Chua came to
> > speak with our class and explain how this open-source community
> > worked, I began to understand. Having videos that explain the goals
> > of the Fedora Project to those who have heard little to nothing about
> > the project would be extremely beneficial with regards to outreach.
> > Thanks for reading, and good luck with preparing for the big release!
> > Nick
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