[Design-team] Proposal

Tareq Al Jurf taljurf at fedoraproject.org
Thu Apr 22 21:04:00 UTC 2010


I'll contact the them to see if i can.

On 22 April 2010 21:19, Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt> wrote:

>
> Good stuff.
> Could we manage to get a Plymouth themes area ? :)
>
> nelson
>
> On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 20:03 +0300, Tareq Al Jurf wrote:
> > Hi Nelson
> > I think that you should see this fedora-art.org
> > I sent opendesktop.org an email, and they've done it.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On 22 April 2010 19:52, Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt> wrote:
> >
> >         Hi all,
> >
> >          I thought over in many things and I do recognize some
> >         problems that
> >         might be related to people not enrolling with communities like
> >         our. I
> >         would like to propose the following (though I could prepare a
> >         decent
> >         document, I'd rather take this approach first).
> >
> >          Fedora 13 is going live soon, and honestly everyone should be
> >         committed
> >         to it, but once F13 is live, it is expected that maybe in the
> >         upcoming
> >         months after the release there's too much to do still. So
> >         maybe the best
> >         time is to trigger this around July. At that time people
> >         should be
> >         preparing for vacations and so on (at least the youth, which
> >         is probably
> >         the main audience for this).
> >          I am not sure when the theme is going to be decided and
> >         specially by
> >         whom for Fedora 14, but this makes sense to be done right
> >         after such is
> >         accomplished.
> >
> >          What I would like to do:
> >
> >          Launch a challenge in existing artist communities through a
> >         cooperation
> >         protocol between Fedora and those communities, for some quick
> >         examples:
> >
> >          * opendesktop.org (gnome-look.org, kde-look.org, etc);
> >          * deviantart.com
> >          * gnome.org and kde.org (?? this people are most likely
> >         buried with
> >         work already)
> >          * suggestions from current artists
> >
> >          This challenge should be a "call to arms" oriented campaign
> >         in which
> >         artists are invited to produce artwork for Fedora Project. As
> >         things are
> >         not going to be much random, this is what I though that is
> >         going to be
> >         needed:
> >
> >          #1 - Fedora 14 Theme > this has to be decided prior.
> >          #2 - A document that provides guidelines for participants to
> >         comply
> >         (this should be accomplished by the Fedora Design Team, as
> >         it's their
> >         field of action/expertise).
> >          #3 - A place where artists can submit their work. (this
> >         shouldnt be too
> >         complicated and I would suggest to use a wiki page for this).
> >          #4 - Licensing for submitted artwork (this is for sure
> >         something I have
> >         no knowledge, I believe that eventually there are people here
> >         who have
> >         done similiar things in the past, so selecting and
> >         highlighting such
> >         would be great).
> >          #5 - A committee to analyze the submitted artwork. We can run
> >         this as
> >         Fedora or eventually also invite people from other
> >         communities, such as
> >         GNOME, KDE, etc. If this artwork is going to be enabled by
> >         Fedora and
> >         distributed for KDE/GNOME, makes sense to me to have someone
> >         from their
> >         project on this also. See such option as strengthening bonds
> >         between us
> >         and them.
> >          #6 - A proper Marketing/Communication campaign for this. We
> >         should be
> >         able to reach everyone.
> >          #7 - Decide what kind of artwork we want (ex: GNOME Meta
> >         Themes, KDE
> >         themes, Icon Themes, wallpapers, videos ?).
> >          #8 - Some Ambassadorial support work. I would recon that
> >         _current_
> >         artists who are ambassadors should have a key role here. As
> >         artists they
> >         might be enrolled on other existing communities, they for sure
> >         talk the
> >         same language as other artists and know how to attract people
> >         in a more
> >         effective way than we can at Marketing. As for standard
> >         non-artist
> >         Ambassadors, I believe they can help a lot also, as running
> >         such project
> >         is mainly Public Relations work (something I suck at).
> >
> >          Some doubts:
> >
> >          - If we run such campaign, who decides if we can include or
> >         not
> >         community based artwork? Can we freely include on F14 some
> >         extra stuff
> >         that we get from such a campaign ?
> >
> >          - The tools... we are promoting open source, but if we scroll
> >         through
> >         Deviant Art for instance, there is work which is distributed
> >         with a
> >         friendly license, but is generated in maybe non-friendly
> >         software, such
> >         as OS X platforms and eventually not GIMP/Inkscape stuff.
> >         Should we
> >         apply restrictions and check for headers and traces of non-oss
> >         in the
> >         submitted artwork?
> >
> >          - I would like submitters to place their artwork in place
> >         where FAS
> >         registration is demanded. In the rush of submitting their
> >         work, they
> >         will go through that step with some "pleasure". If such is
> >         done, with a
> >         single group apply (ex: design-team) and joining a mailling
> >         list, their
> >         approach as a potential Fedora contributor is basically done.
> >         This could
> >         be explored.
> >
> >          - Ice breaking... People who might want to submit artwork
> >         will be for
> >         sure in contact with some of our people. For example we can
> >         probably
> >         forward them for a "help list" for this event or existing list
> >         such as
> >         design-team to clear some doubts. Doing such will place them
> >         directly in
> >         contact with Fedora Teams and will work as a Ice Breaker. This
> >         should
> >         probably make their possible integration in the future much
> >         easier, as
> >         they will start having friendly voices around.
> >
> >          - Motivation - Fedora is supposed to be installed in 24
> >         million
> >         computers worldwide (or so some say). This is a kick-ass
> >         distribution
> >         channel for artists. It should provide enough motivation for
> >         them to
> >         participate (if we are friendly with rules).
> >
> >          - Marketing Involvement > I'm not sure how many people face
> >         this, but
> >         this is a typical marketing promotion campaign. It does
> >         require some
> >         work and free time. I'm making myself available for this and I
> >         can nag
> >         my employer to give me 5 hours weekly to work on this, plus my
> >         free
> >         time.
> >
> >          - Ambassadorial Work > I'm not sure on how this can be done,
> >         so some
> >         feedback from Ambassadors is welcome, and eventually we can
> >         see how we
> >         can help each other. Even between the involved
> >         departments/teams of
> >         Fedora in such, their work as moderators and promoters should
> >         be a must.
> >
> >          - Cost/Benefits Relation > This should be positive for
> >         everyone
> >         involved. I'm not sure how design team faces such
> >         initiative... Fedora
> >         Design is very important, and this should be an accessory for
> >         their
> >         work, and of course a way to reinforce their ranks in number
> >         and gather
> >         more contributors/artists for Fedora Artwork/Design Teams.
> >         That should
> >         be our greatest benefict, plus providing a wider set or
> >         artwork on the
> >         release. Get more people signed on FAS in a friendly way.
> >         Break the Ice
> >         between Fedora and possible contributors. On the costs side...
> >         This is
> >         will require time and effort from at least: Ambassadors,
> >         Marketing,
> >         Design/Artwork and other teams of Fedora such as QA,
> >         packaging, etc. I
> >         would say that 20 submissions for Meta-Themes would be already
> >         a great
> >         win and would reward us all.
> >
> >          For the rest, this is a very superficial approach, but if
> >         there is
> >         interest from Fedora on this, I will turn this into a more
> >         in-depth
> >         document and more objective.
> >
> >          I believe we can try to do something different here and try
> >         to enlarge
> >         our community a bit, plus providing a bit more of community
> >         contributions.
> >
> >          All the problems have solutions, we just need to identify
> >         them and work
> >         them out. I believe we have enough time between now and Fedora
> >         14 theme
> >         selection to work out this in a way that we can kick in fast
> >         and
> >         aggressive soon after the main art theme is selected.
> >
> >          I really would love to ear everyone's view about this, their
> >         own ideas
> >         on how to make better, their concerns, their critics...
> >         everything...
> >         only in possession of such information we can have a strong
> >         basis to
> >         work out soemthing like this.
> >
> >          From my personal point, I'm willing to place 10 hours/week
> >         for such
> >         project and report to Marketing every single week about what
> >         has been
> >         achieved.
> >
> >
> >
> >          Nelson.
> >
> >         --
> >         Nelson Marques
> >         Evil Clown
> >         (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htm<http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htm>
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> > Tareq Al Jurf
> > Fedora Ambassador
> > Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
> > taljurf at fedoraproject.org
> >
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