Talking Points SOP: status update, next steps

Robyn Bergeron robyn.bergeron at
Mon Feb 15 16:39:52 UTC 2010

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Paul W. Frields <stickster at> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 02:53:11AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
>> In the marketing meeting / post-meeting SOP discussion last week, the
>> timeline was decided of putting out a "call for participation" on the
>> Talking Points on either Friday or Monday.  Since it is now Monday,
>> we need to do it today :) Which means we need to (1) finalize the SOP,
>> (2) send out the email to the appropriate lists.
>> Ryan Rix and I worked up the Talking Points SOP this evening /
>> morning.  A (very) rough draft is up at
>>  (We were both
>> pretty tired but decided to knock out a first go at it; there is
>> probably some good content missing from what we discussed in last
>> week's marketing meeting, and post-marketing-meeting Talking Points
>> SOP discussion. Eyeballs! Feedback! Please!)
>> If anyone is around in the morning (7am Pacific, 10am Eastern, ish) -
>> I will be online finishing the editing on the SOP and sending out the
>> email CFP on F13 Talking Points. If anyone wants to hop on and help,
>> that would be AWESOME - or feel free to contribute on the wiki page if
>> you get to it before I do.  One thing I would like to add to the SOP
>> (since I just thought of it 3 seconds ago!) is the content of the
>> email to be sent out requesting participation in Talking Points
>> development. If someone would like to jump in and do that, that would
>> be great.
> The page looks great.  I think you can also find some helpful
> information on the [[Category:Talking Points]] page that will help
> fill in "how to choose points."  In fact, I'd be in favor of removing
> a bunch of that material from the Category page, and just linking back
> to the [[Talking points SOP]], to avoid duplication of content (and
> confusion about where the governing stuff is).

WRT the [[Category:Talking Points]] page - I'm going to go ahead and
move some / most of that stuff to the SOP, to get it looking similar
to some of the other Category: pages for marketing deliverables -
[[Category:Release Slogan]], etc.  Basically it will have a
definition, and then a "to find how how this is done, see SOP", with
the various Talking Points pages from current and older releases
listed at the bottom as pages in that category.

>> Finally, the other thing discussed in the marketing meeting was that
>> we should pre-populate the F13 Talking Points page with some items as
>> a point to start from.  A number of community members have already
>> jumped in and done some filling in the blanks there, so I think we
>> have a sufficient starting point to go from - but feel free to jump in
>> and add anything that is missing.  The F13 Talking Points page is at
>> David Ramsey did an awesome job filling in some of the proposed
>> Talking Points, and Ryan mailed him earlier this evening / morning to
>> see if he would be interested in talking with us about how / why he
>> picked his proposed Talking Points, so we can add some of that
>> information to the SOP.  I don't think this part of the SOP
>> necessarily needs to be finished prior to us requesting Talking Point
>> proposals, but I think it would be insightful to other community
>> members.  David said he'd be happy to talk with us about it, so I'd
>> just like to say,  THANKS DAVID! - and hopefully we can synchronize on
>> that soon.
> I have some changes I'd like to propose to the talking points that are
> on the page now, should I just edit the wiki?
> Desktop users/everyone:
> * I'd include the state of free video drivers (esp. start of 3D
>  support in nouveau) here.  That's a huge story that we need to drive
>  home, because so many people say that 3D support is what keeps them
>  on a proprietary NVidia driver.
> * The new user account dialog is a big step forward in usability and
>  deserves some love.  I'd combine this with color management and
>  NetworkManager upgrades as "general desktop improvements."
> Sysadmins:
> * What about Zarafa being available, which is the first complete
>  groupware (mail/calendar/etc.) solution available in Fedora?
> * NFS features need to be combined.
> * I'd advocate for removing the SSSD listing because of the difficulty
>  of explaining the impact to a lay press reader, and because this
>  change will not affect many people.
> * NFS and the btrfs rollback feature need to be explained in simple
>  terms, or else dropped off the list.
> Developers:
> * IntelliJ IDEA and NetBeans could be combined as general "You can
>  find this package in Fedora 13" features.
> * The Python 3 feature should be expanded to include the better Python
>  debugging features in Fedora 13, which will affect many devs using
>  both Python 2.6.x and Python 3.
> Finally, I think we discussed reserving a section in the talking
> points for new spins.  This time around we're premiering the Fedora
> Moblin(tm) Desktop Edition and Sugar on a Stick.
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