kwade at redhat.com
Tue Mar 16 05:56:53 UTC 2010
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:41:44PM +0000, Nelson Marques wrote:
> This would just make us closer I guess and communicate in real time. As
> long as you have internet connection and some kind of microphone (all
> laptops should be prepared for this under rough conditions), you can
> communicate jsut like in IRC, but through voice).
> Even on those days when we're off work we can speak a bit about
> everything and nothing if we have such service available, chill out,
> laugh a bit with each other... The possibilities are kinda infinite.
> I guess ease of usage would a great pro. Asterisk has different goals
> from this. Anyway, was just a suggestion. I was going to actually
> mention Ventrilo, but found this open source software which seems to be
> pretty good as well.
Others have already pointed out that we have these exact features in
Asterisk at talk.fedoraproject.org. You can setup a conference room
which people can reach through a SIP client (softphone such as Ekiga
or Twinkle, or a SIP handset.) It's integrated with Fedora, etc. and
has a few direct-dial numbers for when people cannot get SIP to work.
There is another and different point to discuss.
When Fedora Infrastructure was first considering setting up
talk.fp.org, Mike McGrath voiced a strong concern about what would
happen with our radically transparent culture if we started conducting
community business in voice rooms. Since then, we have had a number
of informal discussions about this, and perhaps it's time to set up a
wiki page and get down the specifics. (I added some of this content to
For pure social communities, it is probably unimportant that voice
chat creates a significant barrier to many potential participants.
Social communities are somewhat selective by nature, and what one is
socializing around is often exclusive-creating in itself, whether it's
gaming or brew pubs.
In an open source community of practice such as the Fedora Project,
it is a very important consideration. Here's a quick list of the
problems that arise when voice is used as part of conducting community
* It excludes people who cannot hear, who cannot understand English,
or cannot understand the accent of the speaker(s). Meetings that
are conducted via voice exclude all of those people from
* It is difficult to obtain a log of the discussion (a transcript.)
Any notes or summaries are always interpreted by the people doing
the writing and generally focus on the conclusions and decisions. A
chat log or a email list discussion can be archived and referred
back to later to understand why something was done.
* It's hard or impossible to have multiple threaded discussions in
voice; generally only one person at a time can speak. This presents
challenges to anyone who feels uncomfortable speaking in public or a
group. People who can otherwise participate in a written
English-only discussion may not be able to participate in a voice
* Translation is very difficult with voice, unless a full transcript
is provided. This excludes a sizeable part of the Fedora
The above is now at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Talk under
the section "Why be careful?"
Thanks for "listening" ;-) - Karsten
name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
team: Red Hat Community Architecture
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