Fedora Project em Português

Nelson Marques 07721 at ipam.pt
Sat May 1 17:30:39 UTC 2010


I've launched some alerts to the community, tried to subscribe the
trans-pt mailling list and contacted the people responsible on the L10N
to get in contact with me.

I'm not going to do anything because I don't want to go stepping on
people on a personal crusade. This is not the case.

But I'm getting in contact with them, also to help on this field,
translations are far less creative, though require more attention. Once
I establish contact with them, I will propose to ignite the
http://projectofedora.org which should localized for PT_PT and try to
motivate the people to help.

I've had feedback of at least one Portuguese Ambassador that was demoted
and I did failed to get some replies from his mentor, I really don't
like how Portuguese Ambassadors are assigned with non-EMEA mentors. This
is a failure in my personal opinion. To be an Ambassador it's required
communication skills, and this kinda sorts out the "language" barrier
from any native to english (in my opinion).

So, if we really really need Ambassadors to run a localized Fedora
Project in pt_PT, either we'll dig one of the demoted ones or I'll step
up for it. This will only happen if I get support from the actual
trans-pt team. If it's inactive, then I'll have to give face and rebuild
a new one and keep people motivated.

I've contacted already some people in local organizations that promote
FOSS, and might launch a small "call to arms" soon amongst Portuguese
people in order to join the efforts for a localized team in Portugal.
Eventually we'll sort the Ambassadors from there (if we don't have any

I think that having a true pt_pt localized community will only help
Fedora. Half way solutions are a reducer factor which only harms
credibility. But it's my opinion.

Anyway I'll wait and see what happens and who answers to my alerts, from
there I'll see the best action to take, but yes, I will place efforts on
this localized Fedora issue for pt_pt.

On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 10:34 -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
> 2010/5/1 Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt>:
> > On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 17:10 +0200, Mario Torre wrote:
> >> Correct,
> >>
> >> I think this is Brasilian Portugues, isn't it?
> >
> > Objective isn't flaming. I don't know if it is pt_BR or anything else,
> > but I know Portuguese it isn't. Explanation goes to Mario in Portuguese
> > for Mario only, because I am not sure if I can articulate this properly
> > in English:
> >
> > Eu queria só deixar uma coisa clara, nao é por estar em pt_BR, mas há
> > frases que simplesmente fazem qualquer sentido, por exemplo:
> >
> > "Reporte bugs e cobre melhorias"
> >
> > A parte do "reporte bugs", isso passa, como uma grande parte do texto, o
> > leitor certamente percebe a mensagem, o problema vem logo a seguir
> > "cobre melhorias". Cobre como substantivo é um metal (Cu), e enquanto
> > forma verbal do verbo "cobrar", que significa taxar, não faz qualquer
> > sentido... E deixa o leitor sem qualquer noção do que está para ali
> > escrito, acabando por destruir o contexto da frase inteira.
> >
> <snip>
> I have to agree with Nelson, the page it does not flows smooth when
> you are reading it. I am not very good with Portuguese in general,
> less with differences across the Atlantic. The wiki page is broken
> enough for me to notice. Looks like a machine translation without a
> human review.
> If this is going to fire a flame war, then have it pt_pt and pt_br. I
> may said that having some tasks that make PT community identify and
> join will be good. This will allow PT users to see that the can engage
> and localize Fedora as much as they like. They can take ownership.
> What I may suggest will be important is to agree with the wiki masters
> how to integrate the new pages, so nothing is broken in the process
> and the pages are easily to find. The most obvious suggestion will be
> to create a category and use it extensively.
> Best regards
> -- 
> Neville
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v
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