Linux Action Show F14 Review
threethirty
three at threethirty.us
Fri Nov 12 21:55:54 UTC 2010
I really do think trying to engage these guys is a waste of time. They
are gigantic trolls, and want nothing more for us to look less than
excellent. I think the best thing to do is ignore them from now on and
keep on doing what we do best.... making free software better for everyone.
--Jusitn
On 11/12/2010 04:20 PM, Charles Kerr wrote:
> This week, the Linux Action Show did a review of F14. I gave up listening
> to the show a few months back when Bryan said "Fuck you Fedora," but tuned
> back in for this show to see if anything had changed.
>
> It hasn't... but, since I was listening anyway, here's my summary
> of their constructive criticism:
>
> * Even during a slow release cycle (as everyone's preparing for GNOME 3),
> it's still important to have something interesting to sell users on the
> release. F14 had libjpeg-turbo, D, and openstep, but it didn't have
> a "hook."
>
> * Some of the installer's windows are unpolished. These were cited:
> http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Install3.png
> http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Install4.png
> http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Install6.png
>
> * gpk-application was found lacking compared to Ubuntu's Software Center.
> Chris felt that the latter has added value by allowing users to review
> and rate applications, because that allows other users to discover good
> applications.
>
> * More broadly, they felt Fedora's biggest problems is perceptual.
> They feel Fedora doesn't offer hardcore users anything Arch doesn't,
> that it doesn't offer end-users anything Ubuntu doesn't, and so on.
> They felt that Fedora's community could be energized if the project
> did a better job at distinguishing itself in the distro market.
>
>
> I know that Rahul, especially, has tried to engage these guys in a dialog in
> the past but I think it's a lost cause. They make some good points, but the
> show's S/N is not good:
>
> * Since Fedora-trolling is now literally a feature of the show,
> the pair spent four minutes at the beginning of the review discussing
> how listeners could tell whether his Fedora-bashing in the review
> was serious, or whether it was the show's obligatory trolling.
>
> * The installer's windows "look like they have Down's syndrome."
>
> * A full seven minutes was spent riffing on how inappropriate libjpeg-turbo
> is for a Top Feature in the announce list, including:
>
> * Maybe Fedora is trying to attract porn surfers, who need to load
> jpegs in a short period of time because they "need to get the job done."
>
> * Chris floated a theory that RH is paying its people to make weak
> Fedora releases so that it won't be serious competition to RHEL.
>
> * Bryan argued that Fedora's developers may be "the best possible at
> self-deprecating humor" and that Fedora is intentionally bad as a
> kind of performance art.
>
> * Two minutes discussing the leopardskin cowboy hat Chris was wearing,
> which to give credit where it's due, was awesome.
>
>
> Previously:
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-May/012891.html
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-June/msg00158.html
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-June/msg00170.html
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-November/msg00265.html
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