Server Admins: Why not Fedora?

[Simo Sorce]

On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 15:55 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 11/06/2013 03:00 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 09:56 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >> On 11/06/2013 05:18 AM, David Strauss wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:47 AM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh at redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>> Container support is one of the topics that the Environments/Stacks
> >>>> people are being tasked with investigating. The other thing is the
> >>>> option for *limited* bundling of dependencies with something like
> >>>> Software Collections.
> >>> I'm frustrated with how poorly these working group tasks were defined
> >>> before and during working group formation. Why are we finding out only
> >>> now what each group is supposed to do? I was clear in my
> >>> self-nomination that containerization is a key priority for me.
> >> Containerization falls under us as well to a certain extent as in we
> >> need to ensure that server applications can be installed and operated in
> >> a self container or an OS container and this will requires to rework our
> >> entire units as well as drop /etc/sysconfig environmental stuff ( finally )
> > I do not understand your last point, where do you put the 'stuff' that
> > is now in /etc/sysconfig ?
> 
> It should not exist in the first place since daemon/services startup 
> including their environment should be define in a configuration file 
> that the daemon reads when started
> 
> That said environment files stored under /etc/sysconfig/ directory are 
> Fedora/RHEL specific making units we write for them non cross 
> distributable which upstream usually frowns upon and would better belong 
> under their own /etc/<daemon.d>/configuration directory .

This is a laudable goal in theory, but in practice a lot of software
needs external environment variables, so you'd have to first convince
upstream to change how their daemons are started and not all projects
are cooperative on that side. I do not hold high hopes we will be able
to attain this in the short term.

Simo.

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Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York