Installation Roles vs. Post-installation Role Assignment (or pets vs. livestock)

["Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"]

On 11/16/2013 02:34 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
> Sorry to say this bu you look to me like someone with a strong case of
> black-white-itis. It seem you can either conceive changing nothing or
> changing everything, no compromises.
>
> I happen to think there are tons of improvements to make to a Fedora
> Server product that do not include forking the distribution, simply
> creating tools and modifying parts of it to provide a better tool for
> people looking for a server experience.
> Namely:
> - all the infrastructure to have a solid foundation for a server with,
> - prepackaged roles to make it simple to install basic infra components
> - excellent tools to install and maintain software stacks (both Fedora
> provided and externally maintained)
> - including prepackaged language stacks of various concurrent versions
> - including improving containers for whole role isolation
> - maybe sandboxes (but I see that more as a desktop tech)
>
> This is what I think we need, and to do this we do not need to fork and
> radically change everything in the distribution. The OS is an
> infrastructure tool for others and benefits from having large amounts of
> prepackaged software available (we have this now and makes no sense to
> throw it away) as well as making dead easy to install your own stack
> (and we lack exactly here where we should improve).
>
> One of the main requirements to allow this is to define a stable
> platform (in the APIs it uses/exposes, this is not much about how fast
> it gets refreshed).

Coming from the man that tears down the entire logic of having server 
roles in the first place.

JBG