Dropping a lot of files from the DVD

Joe Wulf joe_wulf at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 10 20:32:58 UTC 2015

Two concerns:1.  I've built, and know many people who still do build, there system/enterprise disconnected from the internet.  Someone else posted about affecting/changing the workflow in order to get the packages needed when offline, so I'd be considerate of just what is pulled, and why.2.  The packages that remain on the DVD should be reviewed/updated to ensure there are no REQUIRES, or the like, for packages that are no longer going to be on the media.
Thank you.
      From: Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh at redhat.com>
 To: server at lists.fedoraproject.org 
 Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:49 PM
 Subject: Re: Dropping a lot of files from the DVD
On Mon, 2015-08-10 at 13:44 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:

> On 10 August 2015 at 13:29, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh at redhat.com> 
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2015-08-10 at 15:19 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2015-08-10 at 14:46 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > > > Thoughts? I'd like to put this plan in place well in advance of
> > > > Beta so
> > > > that we can validate it with early test composes (and not risk
> > > > slippage).
> > > 
> > > So the DVD just become a netinstall++ ?
> > 
> > Well, no. The DVD would essentially become "Here's the stuff we 
> > think
> > you need" rather than "Here's all the stuff somebody might ever 
> > need".
> Never ever ever say "we think you need" on a release for system
> administrators. You have just summoned the demons of "You don't know
> what I need to get work done.." and "Does anyone really need anything
> other than bash and maybe dnf?" :).
> So I know that several sites with locked down networks have been 
> using
> the server dvd as the replacement for garbage collection DVD's of old
> releases because it did have those things. I don't know how many of
> those people there are.. but I expect some amount of swearing and
> demonizing from them as it means a new workflow they need (or a
> different OS).
> That said, I am not against lowering the size of the DVD down to a
> 'this is what we want to call Server OS'  amount

Now, that would be a really excellent set of data points, if you could
get some information from them on which specific packages they care
about. (Or convince them to join this list or contact me specifically,
whatever they are comfortable with).

Certainly, if there are good reasons for carrying certain packages, we
don't need to drop them. That said, much of what's on the Server DVD is
leftover cruft, so I'd personally prefer that we drop everything and
started adding certain high-value items back than tried to cut things
down one at a time.
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