Dropping a lot of files from the DVD

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On 10 August 2015 at 13:49, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh at redhat.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-08-10 at 13:44 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> On 10 August 2015 at 13:29, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh at redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 2015-08-10 at 15:19 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
>> > > On Mon, 2015-08-10 at 14:46 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>>
>> > > > Thoughts? I'd like to put this plan in place well in advance of
>> > > > Beta so
>> > > > that we can validate it with early test composes (and not risk
>> > > > slippage).
>> > >
>> > > So the DVD just become a netinstall++ ?
>> >
>> > Well, no. The DVD would essentially become "Here's the stuff we
>> > think
>> > you need" rather than "Here's all the stuff somebody might ever
>> > need".
>>
>> Never ever ever say "we think you need" on a release for system
>> administrators. You have just summoned the demons of "You don't know
>> what I need to get work done.." and "Does anyone really need anything
>> other than bash and maybe dnf?" :).
>>
>> So I know that several sites with locked down networks have been
>> using
>> the server dvd as the replacement for garbage collection DVD's of old
>> releases because it did have those things. I don't know how many of
>> those people there are.. but I expect some amount of swearing and
>> demonizing from them as it means a new workflow they need (or a
>> different OS).
>>
>> That said, I am not against lowering the size of the DVD down to a
>> 'this is what we want to call Server OS'  amount
>>
>
>
> Now, that would be a really excellent set of data points, if you could
> get some information from them on which specific packages they care
> about. (Or convince them to join this list or contact me specifically,
> whatever they are comfortable with).

So most of the people I have dealt with this on are not Linux
administrators but Windows administrators who are 'stuck' with Linux
trying to get various network security items installed. So it usually
ends up being a grab-bag of things that Tenable, Blue Coat, Nessus,
<whatever company IBM bought this week>, etc etc. all expect to be
installed. [A lot of that is perl-web and php and other things you
mentioned in the emails as why are they there.] But in most cases it
is some sort of closed source software which relies on packages being
there that were there in antediluvian times.

I will see if I can get them to contact you. That said, I think
getting more contacts from people who package software for Linux and
getting what they are wanting from distros is probably better long
term .

> Certainly, if there are good reasons for carrying certain packages, we
> don't need to drop them. That said, much of what's on the Server DVD is
> leftover cruft, so I'd personally prefer that we drop everything and
> started adding certain high-value items back than tried to cut things
> down one at a time.
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Stephen J Smoogen.