Alternatives to cloud-init (was Re: [DISCUSS] Cloud and Server Workgroup relationship)

Joe Brockmeier jzb at
Thu Oct 29 13:16:38 UTC 2015

On 10/28/2015 08:21 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> The *could* be the same thing,
> except cloud-init is terrible and I hate it and if that was the single
> offering we had for some kind of C&S WG I would cry.  I hate it
> because it is ridiculous to use in a non-cloud environment, and Server
> very much has that as part of it's reach.

Forking this thread briefly because I think this deserves its own

Is your objection primarily to the concept of cloud-init or the
implementation? If it's the concept, not much we can help with there. If
it's the implementation...

We've talked about replacing cloud-init a few times in the past, but
there are two objections:

- cloud-init is "standard" and we have an uphill marketing battle to get
our image adopted with something else.
- lack of a great alternative.

Mike has talked about a "rich boot process" previously, and I wonder if
we're ready to start working on that?

Also, one of the CentOS GSoC projects was "Flamingo" "a lightweight
contextualization tool that aims to handle initialization of cloud
instances." [1] Maybe this is something we could look at for F24? CC'ing
Tamer Tas, the student who worked on that. (It's targeted at being a
cloud-init replacement for Atomic, so...)

Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
jzb at |
Twitter: @jzb  |

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