[Fedora-spins] firstaidkit-plugins-all and fedora-live-base.ks

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 09:10:20PM +0000, Peter Robinson wrote:
> >    On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Paul W. Frields <[1]
> stickster at gmail.com>
> >      [3]http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/desktop/
> >
> >      Looks like ~840-850 MB right now for the desktop spin as-is.
> >
> >    Well simply substituting fedora-mini-base.ks for the
> fedora-live-base.ks
> >    reduced that to 743 Mb based on today's rawhide in a completely un
> >    scientific test (shunting it through one of my build VMs and
> eyeballing
> >    the output after a couple of drinks). And looking through the build
> logs
> >    at random packages I don't recognise (yes, I'm that sad.... I can know
> >    basically what goes into a moblin or soas build and can see by eye
> when
> >    the deps bloat... sad... very sad!).
> >
> >    I'm not sure why a desktop Live Media spin requires things like a
> >    "JavaScript implementation written in Java",
>
> Doesn't ring a bell, but clutter-related maybe?
>

Pulled in by the java stack it seems (I would know clutter deps via moblin
:).


> >    the ability to master and write CDs and DVDs (aren't we booting
> >    from the CD drive? and alot of devices don't even come with
> >    them),
>
> It might be a Live USB... and remember that people install from this
> media to a hard disk, and probably want that function available
> afterward.
>

OK, fair enough.


> >    "support for making real-mode x86 calls with an emulated x86
> >    processor." (we support x86 emulation on the desktop live cd..?
> >    Java possibly) , a "Documentation generator for Java source code"
> >    (me thinks someone needs to bother the java guys about their deps
> >    because there's a lot here..... good thing they don't support
> >    java on the XO.... yet :-D ) and that doesn't even count the 50
> >    meg that perl adds :-)
> >
> >    Also not sure why we ship apache, but I can almost forgive the sshd
> >    service :-)
>
> gnome-user-share -- which is a DAV share using ~/Public by default
> when turned on.
>
> >    I'll try to get time to look at some of the deps in the desktop spin
> and
> >    see if we can't get that down again by F-13 final. There looks to be
> some
> >    reasonably easy targets there. Although java looks like it could
> (should)
> >    be encouraged to split out its dependencies.
>
> I think the Java dependency issue won't be news, and I don't recall
> anyone saying it can't be solved.  Some of the other dependencies from
> above may be important; the desktop@ list or someone on the GIMPNet
> #fedora-desktop channel will be able to tell you[1].
>

Yea, I don't really get the ability to use irc much as its blocked via work,
and generally forget to sign on. I'm sure alot are perfectly valid, but we
about 13% difference with the mini-base.ks and if we can get rid of perl
(which is used by a syslinux tool within anaconda for the creation of hybrid
isos AFICT - further investigations this week and then a bug report) we'd be
back below 700 meg so the issue isn't surmountable.

Peter


> * * *
> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Desktop#Communication
>
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