Fedora Project launches Pre-Extras
Michael Schwendt
fedora at wir-sind-cool.org
Sun Dec 19 17:51:05 UTC 2004
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:02:25 +0100 (CET), Dag Wieers wrote:
> > A '3' in the filename is ambiguous. An 'fc3' substring in a filename
> > is ambiguous, too. Adding ambiguous and non trustworthy vendor
> > information in the filename doesn't make it better. '.rf' is as poorly
> > chosen as '.fdr' or '.fr'. You expect that users know that .fr does
> > not mean "french" and that .rf doesn't mean "redhat fedora".
>
> Let's not fool each other. 'fc3' is much more specific and useful than
> '3' in itself.
It's not specific enough.
> I wasn't aware there was a disttag in fedora.us. That should have been
> your first clue !
Why should I underestimate your overview?
> And the absence of 'rf' will never allow people to identify packages based
> on the filename, while having the 'rf' repotag inside is useful for those
> that understand the concept, but won't harm those that don't.
Identifying packages based on the filename is a crude hack. A
work-around for lack of more comfortable tools.
> common sense. Maybe I understand better how users work as I help a few
> computer-illiterate users to work with Fedora and understand them the
> concepts.
You jump to conclusions inappropriately.
> Without a recognisable disttag and repotag it's very hard to let
> people understand.
Then give them the right tools to easy the pain. Joe User would love
to be able to maintain his installed and available packages with a
graphical tool. Joe User thinks that system-config-packages sucks. Joe
User has picked up really bad rumours about low-level "rpm" and
dependency nightmares and wants to avoid it like the plague, so he
doesn't care about the default output of "rpm -q". For those who use
plain rpm, you don't need to create an alias which includes more
details in queries, because these people know how to use query tags.
> > Similarly, there are much better ways how to query a package for who
> > made it. Vendor and Packager information and signature are
> > available. Let's put them to good effect, please.
>
> Sure, let's use those too.
>
> But there is a real use to having it in the filename and EVR info,
> despite the fact that we're using the release tag for something it wasn't
> designed for.
There is no use for repo tags in EVR info.
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