Testing test releases: do [ESC d]not update
Phil Schaffner
P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org
Fri Feb 27 14:31:53 UTC 2004
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 17:16 -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
>snip<
> >but with this new fedora approach, that's just not true anymore,
> >at least for the first release or two. if one is constantly
> >updating against rawhide, then you have to assume that, as some
> >things get fixed, others will get broken. which makes it pretty
> >much impossible to use such a system for useful work, no? not a
> >complaint, just an observation. :-)
>
> That's a fair observation, but you should be aware that this is
> absolutely no different than any previous OS release, other than
> the fact it is an open process now. We _NEED_ wider testing than
> we can do internally alone in order to get things in a more
> stable state. That either means we do private beta releases with
> a selected team of individuals who 100% accept the deal about the
> chances of having a totally broken system for the private betas,
> or we make it open, and let people decide for themselves. We
> chose the latter. One thing we can _NOT_ do, is guarantee the
> stability of the OS, when it is in early development, which is
> where things are today.
I fully understood the unstable nature of beta/test releases when I
installed test1, having read the caveats and tried other betas over the
years; however, the rate of package updates via rawhide has been rather
overwhelming and makes me wonder at the value and efficiency of testing
such a fast-moving target. I realize it would be more work, but perhaps
an approach with multiple stability levels like FC1 (updates, testing)
or ATrpms (at-stable, at-good, at-testing, at-bleeding) repository
hierarchy (probably with fewer levels) would provide an opportunity for
better in-depth testing of some of the more stable packages in a
somewhat more stable environment, while allowing the real bleeding edge
fans to drink from the rawhide fire-hose.
My $0.02
Phil
P.S. With the low cost of hard disks, I highly recommend keeping a
multi-bootable copy of a more stable OS (FC1 in my case) installed if
you really need to have something reliable available to get some work
done while still enjoying the rawhide roller-coaster ride.
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